To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

I find it interesting that there is so much condemnation of her when she was 15 when she went there.
I have read threads on MN of 15 year old boys accused o rape and other crimes and it is always full of comments about how he was only a child.

She needs to take responsibility for getting herself and her baby to the nearest British consulate. Why should the SAS (yes, the SAS - who else could go?) risk their lives to go and get somebody who was a part of a regime who would have them beheaded?

If she does that then she can come back to the country and get the free accommodation she deserves, they might even give her a job stitching mail bags.

I've literally never seen that. A rapist gets short shrift on here, irrespective of age.
Important to remember that she is 19 now and not at all remorseful.

I'll save my sympathy for all the people murdered by IS

This girl had a baby boy this week. If she had British citizenship at the tme of her son's birth, he too is a British citizen by descent. She can make her way to a neighbouring country to a British consulate. She may be eligible for protection if she returns to UK.

Yes, of course the government shouid act in accordance with the law!

We do not have to retrieve her, but if she makes her way out of Syria then she should be assisted in exactly the same way as any Brit returning from Syria.

It seemed to imply on the news last night that hundreds of male IS fighters are returning home to European countries, including the U.K.

I don't understand why there is not all this fuss about them, men that have probably killed people, and are much more of a danger to citizens in this country than one girl, who, granted has a very warped and twisted mindset, but as far as we know has not actually killed anyone.

As usual women are held to much higher account than men. The Government probably knows of much worse coming into this country but is happy for this girl to take all the flak.

I agree with most, the country should take her back, but certainly risk no one getting her here.

Oh i also forgot to mention the hundreds of souls who perished in the twin towers,burned to death and forced to confront their imminent death in a very brutal way whilst saying their last good byes to their loved ones on the phone before the line went dead,,all those who perched on the edges of windows many floors in the sky, gasping for breath and forced to take the miniscule hope that they might just survive such a fall or face imminent incineration if they didnt take that last leap of faith.

"This girl had a baby boy this week. If she had British citizenship at the tme of her son's birth, he too is a British citizen by descent"

Assuming she is British otherwise than by descent.

She didn't worry about the law when she went. We shouldn't be held to it now she wants to be brought back.

Take that to its logical conclusion and we would be saying, for instance, "X didn't worry about the law when he exceeded the speed limit, so we shouldn't be held to the law that requires X to be able to access medical treatment when he has a dangerous illness." As a society we can't go down that path.

If she wants to cone back she’s better start walking...
She’s a twat.

Please let us bring her home. She was only 15 when radicalised which is ittle more than a child and since then has lost two children - can you imagine something like that at such a young age? She has given birth to a fit baby now, let us forgive her and may she receive rehbabilitation treatment, others have and it has worked.

I don’t believe anyone should be risking their safety going out to get her and as far as I know no one is going to do that anyway.

If she got back here herself however I think her baby should be immediately taken from her with a view of putting him up for adoption and she should be locked up because she is a dangerous person. But I also know that is most likely far too simplistic to put into practice.

In an ideal world she wouldn’t be coming back here ever but as she’s a British citizen, albeit a dangerous one, I don’t know if it’s that easy to say “yeah nah, we don’t want you now fuck off”.

I think she should be brought back and prosecuted because if she’s left to her on devices she might well be able to go off radar making her a greater threat.

We could take the other view and say,,well we are all free citizens of planet earth. WE can freely choose what causes to support and what wars to support and fight. What has it to do with the UK Government/authorities if i or this girl or he BF choose to leave the UK,go fight a war somewhere then return? Are we only allowed to fight and die in the wars that the corrupt UK government authorises as legitimate? Surely you can fight in whatever war takes your fancy and it is no ones business?

The other side of a right is a responsibility. If Begum wants to exercise her rights she needs to show responsibility.

may she receive rehbabilitation treatment, others have and it has worked.

Nope. Wrong. De-radicalisation programmes have been shown not to work.

Legally she will have to make her own way to the embassy in either Iraq or Turkey. Then she will be granted consular assistance. They legally have to help her when she turns up.

We do not legally have to send a rescue mission for her. So she wants to come back to the UK she has to make her own way to the embassy.

I don't want her back but legally she is entitled to come back.

If you did a global replace of 'grooming' on these threads with 'radicalisation' then there would be quite a different tone, I think.

Both are euphemisms for brain-washing. Which cannot necessarily be reversed.

We may legally have to let her return to the UK but there should be a clause in that law saying that if anyone poses a risk to UK security then they will have to be responsible for the costs of providing surveillance or monitoring. Unless they, or a sponsor, can provide that they will be held in prison for as long as they wish to remain in the UK.

let us forgive her and may she receive rehbabilitation treatment, others have and it has worked.

Blue, would you be saying this if your child had been killed in the Arianna Grande concert?

She chose to go and I believe she would be a danger to this country if she was allowed back. She shows no remorse for her actions, she got herself into this mess. There is no way the government should pay to get her back, if her family really care they pay and make the arrangements.

If she comes back she should be investigated and be charged if appropriate.

If she does make it back I hope a thorough investigation is conducted into whether criminal acts were committed, and if so frankly i want the book thrown at her.

I wouldn't want to see any money spent or anyone's life put at risk to bring this terrorist sympathiser back. If she makes it back of her own accord, she should be arrested and her child taken into care. Simple.

Britain has no obligation to brig you back from anyw just because you don't like it have changed your mind. There are people the world over who may be British and don't like where they live any more. We don't bring them all back. 🙄