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To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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SpeakingALanguage · 18/02/2019 09:41

Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

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findingmyfeet12 · 21/02/2019 12:41

Why would the government make an official statement? Unless they do that for all such cases?

Xenia · 21/02/2019 12:42

The less they say the better. They are not allowed to disclose confidential details about someone anyway - it was her parents who chose to send the letter to the newspapers.

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Dungeondragon15 · 21/02/2019 12:48

I bet that she will end up coming here as I doubt they will be able to force Bangladesh to give her citizenship and who can blame them for not wanting her!

As for those who think it will be safer for us if she is in prison here, my guess is that they will find it difficult to prosecute her so she may end up pretty free to do what she wants in this country. That's why they are trying to remove her citizenship in the first place.

Justanotherlurker · 21/02/2019 13:02

I bet that she will end up coming here as I doubt they will be able to force Bangladesh to give her citizenship and who can blame them for not wanting her!

They are not forcing Bangladesh

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47310206

the government isn’t culpable due to Bangladeshi law. The problem is this just passes the buck from one state to another. Bangladesh doesn’t have the cleanest hands when it comes to human rights, so if they strip her Bangladeshi citizenship and she does become stateless it becomes a mess, but we are not forcing Bangladesh of anything at the minute, we are following international law which was the mindset from the beginning.

woodhill · 21/02/2019 13:44

Good point bigchoc. It makes me wonder what the UK will be like in 100 years' if the government doesn't deal with radicalisation in the UK.

Xenia · 21/02/2019 13:46

I don't think she will come here although I expect tax payers will have to spend about £1m to her lawyers for their legal aid (assuming they have it and are not acting for nothing) in a case that takes years to get to a final hearing so is still probably going to cost us a small fortune sadly).

Dungeondragon15 · 22/02/2019 09:27

They are not forcing Bangladesh

That's my point. They can't! She will most likely come back to the UK eventually and if she does they probably won't be able to prosecute her.

Hollowvictory · 22/02/2019 09:32

She'll be in the camp for years. She's fine there. No rush.

Dungeondragon15 · 22/02/2019 09:41

She'll be in the camp for years. She's fine there. No rush.

That assumes that they don't release them. They want the foreign ISIS fighters and families to be taken back by their countries.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 22/02/2019 10:02

Even if they release her she's stranded in Syria. We could turn around and tell her she can come back.
She either then has it get to an embassy. There isn't one in Syria so I assume Turkey is the closest.
So she then has to travel how many miles? Get to the boarder with no passport and then ask the Turkish Government to let her in? Her a known terrorist.

Even if someone went to get her. She needs her board a plan. With a passport she doesn't have a passport.

Dungeondragon15 · 22/02/2019 10:52

Even if they release her she's stranded in Syria. We could turn around and tell her she can come back.

She has to get to turkey. The former Al-Queda member that they were interviewing yesterday made it sound as if is was not difficult and considering that many people have returned it seems entirely possible. If she does get back here it will be hard to prosecute as I think they would need evidence of criminal or terrorist activity. Not many have been prosecuted and I bet she was banking on this when she gave her very arrogant interview. She probably thought she could say what she liked and could come home anyway.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 22/02/2019 11:05

I don't know. I know many have done it but she's way to hot to handle right now.
She may have a target on her back.
I think you're right about her being arrogant. And in the end that could be what ends her.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/02/2019 11:14

There isn't (an embassy) in Syria so I assume Turkey is the closest

I believe we still have an embassy in Iraq - and Shamima's only about 60 miles from the border which is why I'm still hoping some fool doesn't help her to get there

medusa83 · 22/02/2019 12:46

@Hester
Yup you are right, there does seem to be a girl with a similar name, age that went to Syria at around the same time from London. I am mixing up my jihadists. Sorry for the mix up, although I feel less sorry for her now that she hadn't experienced a recent bereavement.

My view hasn't changed- what was a possibly naive 15 year old is now a hardened adult, and still in the IS mindset, as she admits herself. Presumably there is nothing she could be charged with which is why the majority of returning jihadis are back living in society as if nothing has happened. Awful that there seems to be no consequence (sig jail time) just for joining this group.

Gth1234 · 22/02/2019 13:18

As Capt. Barbosa once said, it's more of a guideline than a law.

Stop airing this on the news, keep both the mother and young warlord (what a choice for a name) out of the news and out of the UK.

Time we stopped turning the other cheek to be honest.

Justanotherlurker · 22/02/2019 23:34

Stop airing this on the news, keep both the mother and young warlord (what a choice for a name) out of the news and out of the UK.

Yeah, keep stuff hidden from the news because it raises difficult conversations, then wonder why the electorate are ill informed of geopolitics and protest vote in a referendum...

It's for their own good after all.

maryso · 23/02/2019 00:13

All Daesh will have to face trial for their actions, unless you think like the Daesh, that justice does not count for millions of Syrian and Iraqi victims of Daesh atrocities. If she is lucky Iraqi courts will impose a life sentence for membership of Daesh.

The Kurds tried housing Daesh women and children with Syrians and Iraqis. They had to be segregated because they attacked the 'infidels' and set fire to tents, even killed a child. You can see all this on a France24 report linked by the BBC. This 'girl' is part of the last lot of refugees who are die-hard Daesh retreating to their last village. It will be over soon. Trump will withdraw US troops once that last village goes. The Kurds have other business more important than being benevolent jailers for these Daesh, do not have the resources, and the west strangely does not want to relocate the war back home with these people, so Iraqi courts will be their best bet. These women have been known to blow themselves up along with their children, so they are not your 'usual refugee camper', and very resource hungry.

Why should we even consider bringing this 'girl' back to be tried in a UK court before an Iraqi or Syrian one? The very idea would imply that millions of Daesh victims are worth less than this one person. Bangladesh will soon be an unreachable dream destination, because a life sentence probably will mean life, probably millions of lifetimes. It will not be quite justice for millions of people who have suffered for a very long time, but a step in the right direction. Best not to meddle and make things worse all round.

CoolCarrie · 23/02/2019 19:34

Leave her where she is, and let her get on with it, same with that idiot bastard who was on the news yesterday, missing his mum. I bet the poor girls who were left without both of their parents after Manchester miss their mum too!I It’s all very well taking the moral high ground with these fucks, but I bet if any of us had lost our children or parents in any of the bombings, stabbings, beheadings, thrown off buildings, being burnt to death, or having had a car driven at them would say fuck the lot of them! They are like the nazis, you cannot play nice with them.

Nat6999 · 23/02/2019 19:47

They ought to send someone to retrieve the baby, bring him home to be either brought up by her family or be adopted & leave her out there. Then this country has fulfilled its duty. Why should we bring someone who has supported Isis back to this country. Maybe if we had taken citizenship away from anyone who is radicalized & deported them the 22 people who died in Manchester would still be alive

ginghambox · 23/02/2019 19:55

They ought to send someone to retrieve the baby Who is they?
Are you volunteering to go?

Xenia · 24/02/2019 06:52

Her father in Bangladesh think the UK was right to withdraw her second nationality. The baby was presumably born in Syria so I am assuming has Syrian nationality but I might be wrong.

Hollowvictory · 24/02/2019 07:06

I don't think you can remove babies from their mothers on grounds you disagree with the mothers ideology. She's not in jail she's in a camp. Can you imagine the footage of her being forcibly parted from a new baby? Play straight onto her son story!

BrizzleMint · 24/02/2019 10:12

Her father in Bangladesh think the UK was right to withdraw her second nationality.

I thought her father was in the UK or is this somebody different?

Dungeondragon15 · 24/02/2019 10:34

I thought her father was in the UK or is this somebody different?

Apparently he splits his time between the two countries.

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