AIBU to think that the IS bride would never have been allowed the freedoms she has, unless they have a grander plan?

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I just find it all a bit suspicious.
She looks dopey or doped.
Her interview was very rehearsed.
They want to get her back here for nefarious reasons.
They would not have allowed her to speak to press.
She is a willing accomplice in a grander plan?

But that's after. Right now, he's broken international law and he can't do that based on "she can get another citizenship anyways"

I honestly don't know why people are sympathetic to this woman, who is still alive and wants to come home for creature comforts when she doesn't give a fuck about the murder of innocent people and is part of the group that did it. I mean, Britain is so soft it's actually disgusting.

I think Sajid Javid has just broken international law but that's the Home Office for you

Maybe, maybe not. The important thing is the can has been kicked well and truly down the road and it'll take time to go thru the process of reversing the decision, by which time anything might have happened and the whole thing could take another turn. .

This latest move puts me in the very uncomfortable position of congratulating a Tory Home Secretary. So, thru gritted teeth, well done that man.

@Whisky2014 😂👏🏻👏🏻

Right now, he's broken international law and he can't do that based on "she can get another citizenship anyways"

It shows you jumped the gun in being to partisan.

mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1097943132082196485

As if they'd have done it illegally

Is it ethical to inflict her on another country if she is such a terrible threat as suggested on this thread? Just asking...

Yes

Huh? Humble pie? I’m glad she has had it revoked. At the time of posting that link it said that she was going to have it revoked, not that it had been done.

And toast you argued until you were blue in the face yesterday that Shamima wasn’t British as she’d ‘lost’ the right to be British when she went to Syria. Several people tried to explain to you that’s not how citizenship works. But you weren’t having any of it.

Is it ethical to inflict her on another country if she is such a terrible threat as suggested on this thread? Just asking

The mental gymnastics begin...

Has there been any evidence that she has even given birth previously (or indeed now), let alone had her children die?

Not as far as I know. It seems all we have is Shamima's own word for any of it ... and incredibly, some seem to take it at face value

While I don't want her here, I'm going to play devils advocate and ask why the hell should the Bangladeshi government and people have to take her? She was radicalised in the UK. If I was Bangladeshi home office equivalent I'd decline her citizenship on principal.

While trying to see this from a more compassionate viewpoint, it reminded me of another 15 year old Muslim girl with strong parental/family influence who went through some very serious shit. And when I think about Malala and how brave and indeed, adult, she was at the same age I suddenly thought, Nah. Begum knew what she was up to, self radicalised, no remorse. She can stay away thanks.
I think we have a pretty clear idea of what is right and wrong at 15. And I reckon a lot of the people saying she was a kid, she didn’t know are the same people who would like 16 year olds to be able to vote...

*principle. Damn autocorrect.
Anyway. Hopefully she stands trial in the Middle East anyway.

@VietnameseCrispyFish in my eyes yes as soon as she did go against her country the way she has done she did lose it. Anyone who does should... and she has! Hallelujah! I'm glad you agree she should have it revoked. Least we can agree on that.

@vietnamesecrispyfish er yeh...

At the time of posting that link it said that she was going to have it revoked, not that it had been done. but that article you posted was created at 1.30pm and we were saying it had been revoked at 7.30pm and you came on all arsey that it wasn't actually revoked, and it was. Ergo humble pie.

I agree toast. I think as soon as anyone steps on a plane to join a terror group, that should be it. No fucking rights from the country you willingly leave in those circumstances

I honestly don't know why people are sympathetic to this woman, who is still alive and wants to come home for creature comforts when she doesn't give a fuck about the murder of innocent people and is part of the group that did it.

Agree Whisky. What's even more baffling is that those who are sympathetic are generally liberal and left leaning, whilst those who are not sympathetic are taken to be right wing Islamaphobes.

But ask this young woman her views on homosexuals, sex before marriage, abortion, women wearing short skirts, even moderate Muslim women who wear make up and don't wear a headscarf, and it don't take a genius to work out what she would say. She literally hates the guts of the kind of people liberals and all decent human beings are meant to be defending.

I consider myself very liberal, but I don't have a single bit of sympathy for this woman. I'll use it all on the innocent victims of terror perpetuated in the name of the group she joined. And for the local people and her son and the other children who didn't have any choice but to be born into a war zone.

Thank god @Whisky2014 ... people only give a crap saying well she is british it's the law... well it's the bloody law NOT to join a terrorist group and she broke that law... but no people are saying oh poor girl! What about the poor people who have been killed and she agreed with it???? People honestly baffle me!

Yes she is a radicalized person exposed to a narrative which would mean she probably does espouse the views you suggested Lifecraft.
The problem is we can all be indoctrinated/brainwashed - its just that most of us aren't or not to that extent. She may not be coming back to the UK and I have no strong feelings about that, but we must address the real issues in our society that might result in similar cases in the future.

What was arsey about my post Whisky2014?

@vietnamesecrispyfish
proof for you that Shamima is currently a British citizen, seeing as you consistently kept saying she wasn’t.
That is, considering you were actually wrong!!

Try reading the thread back, you’ll see the discussion between toast and me (and others) yesterday about the fact that Shamima yesterday was a British citizen, whatever her actions may have been. I’m pleased she’s having it revoked. But the point still stands that until today she was a British citizen, citizenship doesn’t end because some find her actions appalling.

Where are you getting the info that it has already legally been revoked anyway? This is a BBC article from an hour ago.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-47299907

Other than the ITV and telegraph links claiming it’s done and dusted every other source is stating that it ‘is to be revoked’ or she’s facing it being revoked. My point stands, unless you have a copy of the order...