AIBU to think that the IS bride would never have been allowed the freedoms she has, unless they have a grander plan?

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I just find it all a bit suspicious.
She looks dopey or doped.
Her interview was very rehearsed.
They want to get her back here for nefarious reasons.
They would not have allowed her to speak to press.
She is a willing accomplice in a grander plan?

She rejected the UK, she has admitted she knew about the beheadings and killings IS were carrying out before she left to join them and they didn't bother her. She has no regrets, she only wants to come back because IS are falling and she has nowhere else to go. No way should she be allowed back. The government should have passed the proposed law that citizens who join IS have their citizenship revoked. Makes me so bloody angry.

I don't believe the other two children ever existed. And I don't know if I believe that there is a child now.

I feel the same contraception, cynical ole trout that I am.

she has admitted she knew about the beheadings and killings IS were carrying out before she left to join them and they didn't bother her.

She said they were OK as far as Islam was concerned, that hints at indoctrination to me because other things she has said seem like she was saying herself that they were OK. Either way, she can't just be allowed to come back here and carry on as she was before.

It quite probably is true about the babies, or at least that she has a baby now. ISIS would consider that a woman's role is to be a baby making machine to provide more soldiers for ISIS. They probably don't allow contraception either.

It doesn't change the fact that she shouldn't be allowed back here.

We should make it clear to her and her family that given that her appalling lifestyle choices have already lead to the deaths of her 2 children, if she ever sets foot back here again, then in line with standard child protection guidelines, her baby will be taken from her immediately and never returned. To be adopted by another family
Hopefully, that will discourage her attempts to return.

She was definitely groomed. Some of you need to go and find out about grooming.

That said ...nobody is heading out there to bring her back but I wouldn’t put it beyond a newspaper to meet the cost of bringing her back in exchange for the story.

Nothing is ever black and white -usually grey. We learn this as we grow up. Can not believe the venom on this thread for people with different views. We apparently value the freedom in this country to express our own views - or do we?? Many of these threads are just an echo chamber where people want their entrenched views validated. When that doesn't happen posters just become rude and insulting.

but I wouldn’t put it beyond a newspaper to meet the cost of bringing her back in exchange for the story.

Good point. If she ever gets back here, I'll have a tenner on in the bookies that within 2 years, she'll be appearing in that celebrity jungle nonsense with Ant & Dec.

She also says that she wasn't happy with the killings of Muslims in Syria and seems to have realised that they are oppressive and corrupt.

She was quite candid in her interview. She could have really laid on the waterworks and played for sympathy but instead admitted that she wasn't fazed by seeing a decapitated head. After 4 years of seeing brutality and seeing people being killed all around her, I'm not surprised she wasn't fazed by the decapitated head. It would have been less believable if she said she wasn't used to what was happening around her.

She's growing up. If we can give rapists and murderers parole and a second chance then we can give a girl who was groomed online and made a naive decision at 15 a second chance too. She's growing up, finally.

Maybe her makeshift family and home (where she was a housewife) fulfilled a need in her and that's why she doesn't regret her experience.

Some words of wisdom M4J4.

At this point ISIS is pretty much the last days of Berlin. Every man for themselves.

Opiate and ampthetamine use is rife amongst ISIS, it weirdly doesnt seem to have been actively cracked down on, or its perfectly possible shes got a morphine habit, or sedated by doctors. Yu wouldnt believe the drug use in war zones. In Bosnia, they used to sell heroin between the trenches then go back to shooting at each other.

If we can give rapists and murderers parole and a second chance

Quite right. If she gets back here, and does her 20 years in jail, has her baby taken from her, just like rapists and murderers, then if she's been well behaved in prison and the parole board decide she is no longer a threat, then that would be fair.

She might not do any prison time if it can be proved her only crime is stupidity in running off and marrying an ISIS fighter.

But I don't know that as a fact, just wondering if she will be seen as having committed any crime. Is it illegal to go off and join them as a bride? Or mere stupidity?

It's aiding and abetting surely? That's to assume she didn't do anything herself which I highly doubt given the chaotic war zone they would have always found themselves in. If you helped a murderer in this country what's the minimum you could get?

Yabu it's widely reported that she fled IS. She isn't 'with them'.
She looks off her tits because she's completely desensitised, traumatised and just given birth/about to give birth to another child who may not survive. How would anyone expect her to appear?!

On the one hand social media is being blamed for allowing sites that encourage young impressionable people to take their own lives. On the other, girls the same aged who are professionally groomed to leave their families and go to a strange country in order to have under-age sex and be permanently pregnant are completely responsible for their own actions. Does anybody else see an irony here?

Are you comparing a young girl taking her own life to another girl going for the purpose of supporting terrorists taking other people's lives and likely being directly involved herself?

I'm not seeing her as a victim. I was naive and 15 once. Never would I have signed up to supporting what IS have done in that region. Naivety doesn't cover it.

No I'm comparing the brainwashing. If a young girl can be persuaded taking her own life is a good idea then she can be persuaded of almost anything else surely??

brassbrass could you have been influenced to take your own life either?

Not sure how old people are on here but social media and online grooming is a fairly recent phenomena.

To my mind the two outcomes make it incomparable. Hurting oneself to en masse hurting others. They can't be treated in the same way because they are not the same thing at all.

How would you categorise the Bulger killers? They were even younger. They didn't come out of the womb with those ideas. Something happened. But again you can't compare what they did to this. Each situation needs its own solution it can't all be lumped under grooming so let's dispense with consequences, accountability, ownership etc

Didnt we used to send these people to the Haig?

No let's be accountable for what happens to our children. We should intervene earlier and stop waiting for them to reach adulthood so we can punish them.