To think everyone saying Shamima Begum should rot in Syria have completely overlooked the fact that she is pregnant

[StepAwayFromGoogle]

Just that really. She did a terrible thing going to Syria to marry an ISIS fighter. But she was only 15 and probably incredibly naive. She has already lost two children, one as a complication of malnutrition. And the child she is pregnant with has done nothing wrong. Surely we shouldn't leave him or her there to die too?

that's really funny stoneo. i was reading it trying to decipher some hidden meaning/connection

I've reported myself 👀

I remember that, derxa. I am very sorry you were personally involved.

The point I was making was that the person who committed that particular atrocity was a person who had behaved in very violent and hideous behaviour and at the time of the thread had no terrorism associations -the police were bst making any- but because of his colour assumptions were being made. I felt it was wrong and dangerous to make such assumptions ahead of the data. To say this means I was indifferent to the victims is hugely unfair.

Rspu3

Totally agree.

Funnily enough she has had quite a change of heart in her latest interview. Wonder why.
I can't blame Bangladesh for not wanting her.

To say this means I was indifferent to the victims is hugely unfair.
Yes but I think you must make your feelings more clear. Be a mensch.

Probably not but one of the threads about a terrorist incident you were on reduced me to tears. Your insensitivity re the victims of terrorism is breath taking.

Yep. I’ll have a look in the morning for links. I really not sure why I should bother. It’s common knowledge and she’s been on here years coming out with justications for terrorists.

“Yes but I think you must make your feelings more clear. Be a mensch.”

I’m not going to do the whole “May they rot in hell/ I’d cut their hands off myself/I’d like to see them tortured slowly to death” narrative. If people think that makes me an apologist for terrorism then so be it. I’m not going to do performance terrorism hatred. I want proper justice.

“Yep. I’ll have a look in the morning for links.”
Thank you. I’d like to see them.

Bow I agree

@Bertrand isn't a man. She has views on this issue I don't agree with but that post's not on, @Suffragette.

How does anyone know who’s a man or not. Anyone could be.

If it is actually a woman comparing an ISIS Warrior, a warrior turned on enough by images of sexual violence and torture to leave her home and travel across the globe to join in, to victims of gang rape, then I am shaken and appalled.

It gave me some comfort to think no woman, unless a monster like this ISIS Warrior, could make such a monstrous comparison. I imagine many mothers would feel the same.

Therefore, I continue to hope the poster is a man. Do you actually have ocular proof the poster is a woman?

Anyway, that's a side track-the rest of my post is perfectly valid.

None of the rest of your bleeding heart trite bollocks makes any sense.

WTF are you on about Bejam. You clearly don't have a grasp of what's happening. You have no idea out of all those that have already returned how many are the same as SB or worse. Where are you getting your information from? I don't have any sympathy for SB but I don't agree with twatty half hearted measures that are going to backfire. That's how we got into this mess in the first place. Why wasn't their citizenship revoked why isn't it more transparent? What measures are in place for these people? I suspect many of them have just disappeared and the police haven't a clue.

MissEliza

SJ is doing exactly what he should be doing; protecting the citizens of the uk.

He isn’t appeasing to public opinion. How ridiculous to even suggest that.

The man has a job to do and he’s doing it.

There’s quite a few posts on here that are very disturbing ( yes Bert i’m looking at you) - MN HQ will be busy with all those posts that are being reported.

I think she is a fall guy because I think some of the general public are sick to death of having to tolerate certain factions of society who hate Western values but are quite happy to have the benefits such as the NHS, schools etc and freedom.

I am aghast she uses terminology such as she is shocked, frustrated, thinks HS should have personally spoken to her before revoking her citizenship. She comes across as incredibly entitled. She said she didn’t believe Britain would do this!

And regarding the ?baby. The rags were across her lap but she wasn’t cradling the baby, not supporting his fragile neck. She was using both hands to gesture. There was no maternal instinct, she didn’t touch or look at those rags on her knees.

It’s her tone and attitude even now that shows she still believes in the ideology. Yes, HS was right in my opinion.

Yes, HS was right in my opinion.

Was he also right to let the other 360 return and not revoke their citizenship? Doesn't seem very consistent does it?

No, he wasn't but he is right this time and let's hope it heralds in a new dawn of telling them all to piss away off-not wanted on the voyage-no room at the inn.

Of course, he could track down the other 350 and tell them the same which would be fantastic and consistent.

If not, it has to start with someone and sadly for this ISIS Warrior but luckily for us, it starts with her. Hooray!

She is shocked that someone is a meany to HER. But not shocked by murder, invasion and rape. I know teenagers can be pretty in self aware but come on.

WTF? No one here has supported terrorists or their actions. Some of us disagree with the HS breaking international law and making Britain look like even more of a twat than we already do. The country that prides itself on our values of justice and security, that lets a vulnerable teen become groomed online by a terrorist cult (without two institutions stepping in), leave the country with a passport that isn’t even hers, then without proving her crimes thinks it’s acceptable to remove her citizenship as a punishment. In order to punish people we must try them first to prove beyond reasonable doubt they are guilty. We can’t just pick and choose which parts of the justice system we want to follow. It sets a very dangerous precedent, not to mention the point someone else made upthread. What’s to stop other nations doing the same to criminals that are here? Where would they go? They’d be stuck in Britain without a state.

How do we know she was groomed online? I thought her own father had involvement with the radicalising

She even days in the video she wanted her family to go to Syria with her, so she had clearly had a conversation with them prior to buggering off

Isn't her father in Bangladesh now?

I have no sympathy for her, but SJ has handled this appallingly (and totally in line with how the tories handle everything these days).

Knee jerk reaction to appease the masses

Tries to foist a British problem (she was radicalised here ffs) on another country. Bangladesh tells him to fuck off.

Now he looks like a tool because stripping her of her nationality breaks international law.

Nice one UK, another major embarrassment on the world stage.

Camelia the police were aware she and the others girls were being targeted by fanatics online, as did her school. No one knows about her family. I can understand why people believe her father may have harbourd extremist views but we don’t know for sure. It’s a massive safeguarding faliure and there’s been no investigation into what happened. Keeping her out of the country will also ensure no pesky questions get asked like ‘how easy is it to travel with a passport that’s not yours’.