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To think everyone saying Shamima Begum should rot in Syria have completely overlooked the fact that she is pregnant

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StepAwayFromGoogle · 14/02/2019 13:39

Just that really. She did a terrible thing going to Syria to marry an ISIS fighter. But she was only 15 and probably incredibly naive. She has already lost two children, one as a complication of malnutrition. And the child she is pregnant with has done nothing wrong. Surely we shouldn't leave him or her there to die too?

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suffragetteorsuffragist · 20/02/2019 18:31

@Jennifer.

I'd be astonished if that's her baby. It is stage managed.

BejamNostalgia · 20/02/2019 19:28

Oh bertrand. You are funny, you’re a okay with genocide, war crimes and mass rape but you get ever so cross and offended when people point out your own obvious attitude.

There could be fifty little girls and boys out there wandering around unaware that they’re going to get blown up in 12 months by one of the jihadis you’re so keen on giving a second chance. You couldn’t care less about the people in Iraq or Syria who suffered because of these people.

You couldn’t give a fuck about them, they’re just regrettable collateral damage to you. You’ll emote until the cows come home about Shamima’s tragedy and thoroughly enjoy virtue signalling about how marvellous you are because you’re so kind and lovely you even care about murderous jihadis.

They must thank their lucky stars there are useless idiots like you out there ripe for exploitation and hoodwinking who’ll unquestioningly accept every sob story. She is a collaborator with war crimes and you are the closest thing you can get to a collaborator without leaving the country.

BejamNostalgia · 20/02/2019 19:31

You’re gambling other people’s lives, other people’s children’s lives, because jihadis getting what they want is much more important to you than the lives of people they may harm.

I don’t know how you can deny it bertrand, a quick AS brings up reams and reams of your advocacy for jihadis.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/02/2019 19:32

I see the Netherlands don’t want her either. Will the penny start to drop for her? Why is it that entire nations don’t want her?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/02/2019 19:52

you’re a okay with genocide, war crimes and mass rape

Really?

Where's Bertrand said that then

BertrandRussell · 20/02/2019 19:57

“I don’t know how you can deny it bertrand, a quick AS brings up reams and reams of your advocacy for jihadis.”

C&P one bit.

GogoGobo · 20/02/2019 19:58

I think she should be allowed back. Basically why should Holland or Bangladesh take her? She's a British Citizen and it's not up to other Countries to deal with our problem citizen. I can't see how she has had her citizenship revoked when we have allowed so many back already. She should come back and face criminal charges. I'm not sure we can just make someone stateless.
And as much as I find her actions abhorrent I squirmed watching the reporter show her the letter stripping her of her citizenship when she is 3 days post partum.

CatsTongue · 20/02/2019 19:59

I think it’s fine to have the view that she cannot come back to the UK - provided you all agree any foreign national who commits a crime in the UK cannot be deported if their home nation revokes their citizenship and is the UK’s problem to deal with. It works both ways, no?

GogoGobo · 20/02/2019 20:03

Cats Tongue is spot on. I feel like the action to revoked her Citizenship is absolutely pandering to the hysteria by the government. And she was 15. Why serve her with the papers but not 350 plus others who have come back??

Motherofcreek · 20/02/2019 20:05

I've just watched the latest video of her being shown the letter the HO sent her parents informing her parents she is having her citizenship away from her.

I think it's in really bad taste.

Yes she could still be a dangerous women who is a CF

OR

She coul be a stupid girl who ran away and could never escape and who is still being watched by other IS women. She has just had a baby. I still felt like an alien weeks after having mine. She might be scared her baby's life is at risk from within the camp of she is surrounded by IS women is she starts saying she made a mistake.

I was honestly a 'keep her there' supporter but those videos just don't sit right with me, I feel like something is off.

Even her reaction to her parents being devastated she had left, I think there is a lot more to this than we know.

CameliaCamelia · 20/02/2019 20:08

gogo so you'd be happy with two isis members living next door would you?

ThameslinkSurvivor · 20/02/2019 20:10

@BejamNostalgia

In the long run, which do you think is more dangerous?

Begum and other radicalised Europeans being brought back to their nation states, prosecuted, imprisoned, closely monitored and if possible deradicalised...

OR

A load of angry, stateless former jihadis being left to wander around the Syria/Lebanon border, possibly forming new extremist groups and further destabilising the Middle East.

Come on - think about the long term geopolitical implications of your emotional knee jerk reactions. British national security is best protected by a stable Middle East - and leaving a load of stateless ISIS fighters free to roam around is not going to achieve that.

CameliaCamelia · 20/02/2019 20:12

Talking about knee jerk reactions...She won't be 'stateless.', she has the option of living in Bangladesh with her Father!

Hey, her mum and sister even have the option of joining them.... happy families!

GogoGobo · 20/02/2019 20:13

Camellia - no I wouldn't. I'd expect the government to prosecute people r monitor her. Not just let her crack on with picking up where she left off.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 20/02/2019 20:14

If she has to come back then it must be under her own steam. I'm sure she could manage it, as she made it to Syria. How would we 'get her back', would troops have to be sent in? If she does come back then the baby (which I doubt very much exists, nor the other alleged children) should be taken away from her to give him a chance. Hopefully she can then be locked up for the rest of her life. No second chances for terrorists.

GogoGobo · 20/02/2019 20:15

Motherofcreek. I agree. The video was very uncomfortable. I can't say I've seen so much press interest and journos rushing out to the men who actually did the killing!

CameliaCamelia · 20/02/2019 20:16

Can we afford thousands doing that for rest of her life then gogo?

GogoGobo · 20/02/2019 20:18

Camellia - you should get a job in immigration because you seem to know more about it than the Bangladeshi government who have come out and said she has no claim to citizenship there

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/02/2019 20:18

She - and other like her who have scurried off to war - wouldn’t be housed all far from me. No thanks. I don’t want her near me or her kids in school with my kids. She was 15 - so what?

She sought this out and plotted to run towards what she knew was a violent and horrific group. She and her buddies had no bloody right to march into Syria to bleed their people dry, and support a murderous regime. She knew that children were being raped, sold and murdered but that was ok because she says they weren’t the right type of people - like the majority of people in this country. She thinks murder is ok - she has no moral compass and I can’t see there being any coming back from this. Her little mate has decided to stay and yet she doesn’t denounce this.

She does not deserve the treatment she would receive here - no bearings, rape, murder or crucifixion by the Government. Things which she think is all ok.

She is not the victim here, my pity is with those who can’t speak out or who have had to run from their homes because of these bastards and now live with the trauma of what has happened to them.

GogoGobo · 20/02/2019 20:19

Camellia - not ideal, the cost issue, but how would you feel if other countries stripped their criminal/terrorist citizens of their citizenship and left us footing the bill for them in the UK?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/02/2019 20:21

Since the ideology has come ‘straight outta Saudi’ maybe she’d like to go there. I’m sure she will have a great time and I believe that they still have public beheadings there.

RedWineIsFabulous · 20/02/2019 20:24

Hold on a minute, whilst I get the sympathy violins out for the do gooders on here.

Your comments supporting her make me sick.

I am delighted she has had her citizenship removed.

For all those innocent victims; Manchester bombings, Lee Rigby and all those other innocent people who have lost their lives to Isis.

This piece of scum condoned these attacks and was positively joyous.

Why on earth should this person be allowed back to be amongst those that she hates, despises and wishes dead so much.

Get a grip.

Juells · 20/02/2019 20:26

Her Family need to fully understand the seriousness of her situation over the past few years and help in any way they can to identify why their daughter did what she did and how she could do it.

Wow, do you seriously think that her family don't know exactly what she did and how and why she could do it?

BertrandRussell · 20/02/2019 20:27

Why is thinking she ought to face justice in this country “supporting her”?

BertrandRussell · 20/02/2019 20:29

“Wow, do you seriously think that her family don't know exactly what she did and how and why she could do it?”
I’m sure they know what she did. Like many parents whose children have done awful things they may well not know the how and why.