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To think everyone saying Shamima Begum should rot in Syria have completely overlooked the fact that she is pregnant

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StepAwayFromGoogle · 14/02/2019 13:39

Just that really. She did a terrible thing going to Syria to marry an ISIS fighter. But she was only 15 and probably incredibly naive. She has already lost two children, one as a complication of malnutrition. And the child she is pregnant with has done nothing wrong. Surely we shouldn't leave him or her there to die too?

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user1481840227 · 19/02/2019 10:11

Apologies, I thought that line was quoting a different poster.

Cheesegasm · 19/02/2019 10:15

Who gives a shit? Im sick of hearing about her and seeing her face on TV. No, she should not be allowed back here

Juells · 19/02/2019 10:26

Men are terrorists, women are groomed 🙄 She has no empathy or feeling for anyone but herself, non-Muslims are not human as far as she's concerned.

Snowmaggedon · 19/02/2019 10:42

Just a thought I said on another thread, I think Saudi has system closest too the caliphate... can't they take her..

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 19/02/2019 11:01

She just wants out as her Islamic utopia has fallen. She admits she has enjoyed her time in living under IS.What’s not to enjoy after all heads in bins and attending stonings must be so much fun. She has met and married a man she wouldn’t have found otherwise. After all it must be hard to find a terrorist, murdering child rapist to marry and procreate with.

Now IS is on the verge of defeat she knows she has got to get out before Syria can get its act together and start to put her and her ilk on trial. It is only a matter of time as she knows that one day soon the Syrians will start looking for justice and justice in that part of the world is swift and hard.
Iraq has already started the process and over 1000 foreign national women waiting trial or already sentenced. They have little sympathy for them crying that they now want to go home or any excuse they give for why they traveled to join IS.
I have no doubt that once IS is gone from Syria then they too will be starting trials of IS members after all these women are being held in a separate camp which hardly indicates that the authorise are going to forget their involvement.
Let her face their justice before we even consider does she get to return to the UK.

Juells · 19/02/2019 11:17

Let her face their justice before we even consider does she get to return to the UK.

Unfortunately I think she'd manage to weasel her way through the cracks, as Syria is in such turmoil. She thinks it's very unfair that she's in that camp, says she "can't stay here forever" - it's good enough for the Syrians who were displaced by the Caliphate though.

She has a huge sense of entitlement, and so does her family. Lawyers will be wheeled out.

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 19/02/2019 11:29

Hence why she wants out now before Syria has a chance to organise itself.
With all the bleeding hearts who want to portray this woman as a victim rather than the piece of scum she is I don’t doubt she will find a crack to wiggle through. After all snakes are good at crawling on their bellies through cracks.
Doesn’t change the facts that the Syrian authorities should be given the right to decide her fate and only after they have had the chance to make a decision whether she and others like her are to stand trial should we and any other countries be given the choice as to whether they can come back again.
If this means she stays in a camp for a period of time whilst the country straightens out the mess that IS has made then so be it.

girraffeduck · 19/02/2019 11:35

If we don't take them back... we leave a ton of ISIS supporters all together in one place, growing, strengthening. At least if countries take their terrorists back they can monitor them, disrupt them somewhat. It won't be ISIS you're worrying over in a decade time but something even worse and stronger otherwise

StopLazyJournosCopyingContent · 19/02/2019 12:05

The family already has a lawyer.

He’s doing it pro bono, apparently Hmm

Totallyscrumptiouspoppet · 19/02/2019 16:17

This girl is stupid, shameless and selfish. She robbed her family and run away to find "home" she doesn't come from abusive/traumatic childhood. Just a selfish narcissist who brought an entire community nothing but hardship and suspicion. Her and her ilk should be left alone to live with the consequences they brought upon themselves. I say this as a Muslim person who lives in London.

Juells · 19/02/2019 16:34

The other odd thing is that she can say everything was fine, how strong it's made her, when she had two children die of malnutrition. Not as newborns either, if I'd had one child die at eighteen months I don't think I'd ever recover, she had two. She doesn't look like she's ever starved. There's something very wrong with her.

Juells · 19/02/2019 19:02

Gosh, her citizenship has just been revoked. Didn't think that was possible 😳

Walkingdeadfangirl · 19/02/2019 19:07

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

JRMisOdious · 19/02/2019 20:34

Someone on PM, only caught the end of interview, may have been solicitor general?, was suggesting potential returnees from all nations could with international agreement be tried for war crimes by the ICC in The Hague and thereafter detained, all of them I think he was suggesting, (uh-huh, all
good so far) - at HM pleasure on The Falkland Islands 😳 Can’t imagine they’re getting the welcome bunting ready in Port Stanley. What on earth have the islanders done to deserve that?

MissEliza · 19/02/2019 22:07

Can't imagine they're getting the welcome bunting ready in Port Stanley GrinGrinGrin

JohnRT · 20/02/2019 06:51

Justice

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 20/02/2019 06:56

What about her baby though?

StealthPolarBear · 20/02/2019 07:44

What about all the babies you're not hearing about

suffragetteorsuffragist · 20/02/2019 08:20

What absolutely marvellous news this morning!

Well done, Lord Carlie and the Home Secretary!

The majority of people don't want her back with only a small minority "thinking" otherwise.

her baby can go with her to Bangladesh, if they take her in which I hope they bloody well don't.

her family will sue...cheeky bastards. If they lose, they should have to pay back the bill or go to jail.

Brilliant news.

BertrandRussell · 20/02/2019 08:32

Even if you think this is the right thing to do surely it’s still a bloody tragedy and it’s not appropriate to be so triumphalist about it?

Hollowvictory · 20/02/2019 08:34

Correct decision. Hope she'll shut up about how much she enjoyed being a jihadi now and what a great life it was. Let her rot.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/02/2019 08:36

I’m concerned about where she will go and what she will get up to. She is so indoctrinated in the mentality she is poisonous in her current state. Add to that her arrogance and sense of entitlement - she feels that she has done nothing wrong. Saying she is worried about her child in the camp - 2 of her babies died in the ‘heaven in earth’ she helped to create yet she didn’t want to run away then? How exactly did she get out when pregnant when there are people trapped there now?

Was she allowed out in the hope of slipping back to the west with her potential little ‘cub of the califate’ to do what exactly? Get a job in the Bethnal Green Tesco in checkout and take the kid to Gymboree at the weekend?

I lived where she was from ages ago and hadn’t been back for a long time. I was quite shocked at how much it had changed recently when I went there. I never say fully covered women in the east end back rhen but there was so many of them when I went and the vibe had also changed.

Hollowvictory · 20/02/2019 08:38

She'll be in the camp for years in all likelihood unless her fami get her to Bangladesh. No doubt its bori g with no stoning or beheadings to join in with. She'll likely find a new 'husband' "

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/02/2019 08:38

What about her baby though?

What about waiting until it's proved whether she's actually had one?

Guavaf1sh · 20/02/2019 08:48

Excellent decision by the Home Secretary. It’s patently against common sense to let her back and sets a dangerous precedent. She’s toxic and I hope her family are not even remotely acknowledging the anger in the country that their actions are causing