To think everyone saying Shamima Begum should rot in Syria have completely overlooked the fact that she is pregnant

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Just that really. She did a terrible thing going to Syria to marry an ISIS fighter. But she was only 15 and probably incredibly naive. She has already lost two children, one as a complication of malnutrition. And the child she is pregnant with has done nothing wrong. Surely we shouldn't leave him or her there to die too?

She most likely will only have had a religious marriage, which isn’t worth the paper it’s written on (well in the UK it isn’t).

Funny how the family isn’t whittering on about her bringing shame to the family - which is what they’d have said if she’d worn a mini skirt or dated a white guy (I guess a crazed white convert is ok though).

Some of the bullshit on this thread is astounding.

Fucking hell. This hater voluntarily left her family , friends and country to go and live, shag and breed with these monsters who rape, murder, torture, behead and blow up innocent people.

Yet somehow people are suggesting we empathise with this scumbag; who shows absolutely no fucking remorse and remains one dangerous individual.

Nah. She can stay put and out of this country. In fact she can rot there.

To suggest her human rights are being compromised, why the fuck should we show any concern for her when she condoned and supported the deaths of those such as in the Manchester bombings or Lee Rigby?

Sadly, she will be allowed back and unfortunately she is a uk citizen. The tax payer will foot the bill in protection and surveillance.

Utter madness.

John - presumably the baby would be placed with another family. To suggest that a newborn has no chance of not being a terrorist is utterly absurd.

I wonder if he has been waxing lyrical about ‘holiday camp jihad’ to the Dutch media.

The Dutch media just isn't like the British media. He has been mentioned a few times lately (did a quick Google) but only in reference to reports on what the British press are saying about Begum. IIRC he was convicted in absentia of planning a terror attack here, so I suppose public sympathy would be in pretty short supply!

I agree with every word redwinelsfabulous too many fucking bleeding hearts on here. Exactly what's wrong with our country.
25.000 Islamic extremists roaming round, plotting who knows what about us but nobody's making any noise about it. People need to stop bleating about their rights, who gives a fuck.

They say UK must have her back cos cannot be stateless. She can become Dutch. Married to Dutch citizen for 3+ years. Baby is Dutch. She has been resident in EU/EEA for 15 years. All requirements met. Strip her of British nationality.

I realise you're being facetious but:

No, she would also need to pass a Dutch language test showing that she can read, write, speak and understand Dutch, and prove three years living at the same address as her husband in the Netherlands

The baby is not automatically Dutch at birth if born to a Dutch father and foreign mother when the parents are not legally married. Religious-only marriages don't count (they're not recognised by the Dutch government).

Doh. JohnRT, you caught a fish. Didn't think it through!

Doh. Neither did you. To think a mother who would willing have let her first born fight would not bring her last up in a similar manner is very very naive

I think my view is we probably have some duty to deal with her and prosecute should she return
Imagine if every country left all their citizens milling around Syria stateless. Syria would not be able to recover from that legacy, and they have a right to move forward from the influx of foreign terrorists that descended on their people who were innocent in this mess. She was radicalised here, unmonitored here and left here on another passport. We’d also want to see foreign terrorists deported from our country should they arrive here illegally and inflict terror on our country. We wouldn’t want them stuck here stateless en masse.
I’m not advocating rescuing her by a long shot, but I think Syria has a right to deport these people and we have a duty if they return themselves to deal with them. We might not like it, but why should another country bear the burden we don’t want.
Her baby in return would be best removed, and her charged for her crimes.

Syria isn’t is a situation to prosecute or punish those cuckoos who waltzed in and tried to take over. The Syrians I know/have met loathe these people with a passion, so maybe that’s just as well.

How about handing her over to the Yazidis? The ones left, that is the ones who survived genocide and mass rape and the kind of horror most if us will only ever read about.

The same is going on in Canada but the or team hasn't quite softened her stance yet

www.ctvnews.ca/world/canadian-isis-bride-in-syria-i-should-be-allowed-to-go-home-1.4301080

@JohnRT I thought you were messing about, hence I said you caught a fish.

Surely the child would be placed with a family. The mother would be in jail.

She wants the child to be brought up by her family. Need I say more. Why should the British taxpayer support terrorism?

They didn’t do such a good job with her. This would also mean the child would be exposed to her.

Call me a cynic, but what I foresee happening is her making her way to Turkey (with assistance from some organisation - possibly a news outfit), the Embassy facilitating her flight home, she'll be interviewed by police and released without charge because, as she said herself, there's no proof she's done anything and we'll all forget about it and carry on as normal - until the next terrorist attack.

Oh, and she'll have a brief frenzy of interviews on TV/radio.

Would the authorities allow that John? I doubt it, given the circumstances.

The French would take the baby but not the woman. The USA would take the baby but not the woman. The Australians would take the baby but not the woman. This country is too soft. The woman has committed crimes in Syria. Take the baby and hand her over to the Syrians. They will execute her in a far more human way than the ISIS regime.

Why should a country, that is currently in a state of civil war, be burdened by an IS bride? If Syria was not in a state of war, they would extradite her

I can't honestly believe that letting her back in is up for debate. She shows no remorse, she is no longer a child. We can take the baby but why on earth should be be allowed back into the UK? It's absolutely ridiculous, she left the UK to fight against us, any citizenship should be automatically removed for this reason.

bobstersmum - why should she be foisted onto the Syrians? They have enough problems without the likes of her.

fucking bleeding hearts

Couldn't agree more. Some people have no sense of self-preservation. Unable to assess threats to their own safety, they think everyone else should be just as stupid.

Juells, sounds like you are the stupid one!
Have a read of this, you don't need to pay attention to the parts where the journalist that founds her expresses sympathy for her but have a read of what he thinks will happen if countries don't take them back. Very very shortsighted of you to think that that wouldn't happen,

www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/shamima-begum-isis-bride

Bobsmum - The point is that it's not up for debate, due to the law. The UK can't revoke her citizenship, she legally cannot be left stateless. Those are facts.

Juells, sounds like you are the stupid one!
Have a read of this, you don't need to pay attention to the parts where the journalist that founds her expresses sympathy for her but have a read of what he thinks will happen if countries don't take them back.

Did you not read the first line of my post?

why should she be foisted onto the Syrians? They have enough problems without the likes of her.

Perhaps you didn't understand that that meant she should be brought back to the UK.