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To think everyone saying Shamima Begum should rot in Syria have completely overlooked the fact that she is pregnant

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StepAwayFromGoogle · 14/02/2019 13:39

Just that really. She did a terrible thing going to Syria to marry an ISIS fighter. But she was only 15 and probably incredibly naive. She has already lost two children, one as a complication of malnutrition. And the child she is pregnant with has done nothing wrong. Surely we shouldn't leave him or her there to die too?

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user1481840227 · 17/02/2019 23:14

OhDearGodLookAtThisMess, I believe they go there voluntarily but they can't just leave.

Annacomnera, of course she was going to speak up if she wants to get out of the camp. I'm just responding to comments that she may not have even been pregnant etc. and that it's all just an elaborate story she made up to try to get home. I just can't see her inventing a pregnancy story on the spot.

Letsmoveondude · 18/02/2019 01:09

I can't believe how many here are saying, she was a child! As if that's any excuse!

We have all seen the Isis headlines, for all of us there will be different things that stick in our adult minds as depraved, sick and painful to know are happening, whether it is the sexual abuse children and women have suffered because of ISIS, whether it was the teenage boys who were raped by members of ISIS who were then chucked off of buildings for being gay because they were raped, whether it was the beheadings as adults we struggle emotionally.

A child who knows this is happenning, does not decide to go and join the perpetrators of such crimes unless they are fundamentally twisted. The concept of these things happening would be all the more alien and disturbing than it would to us adults who know more about the ills of the world.

She cannot be fixed. How can someone like that ever rejoin society?

StillCoughingandLaughing · 18/02/2019 01:22

She doesn’t even want to rejoin society. She wants safety and free medical care.

ReflectentMonatomism · 18/02/2019 06:07

Another entirely unconvincing “mistakes were made but it isn’t my fault” case.

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/17/us-woman-hoda-muthana-deeply-regrets-joining-isis-and-wants-return-home

Juells · 18/02/2019 06:22

I'M SO SICK OF THIS BEING TOP OF THE NEWS.

Sorry for shouting. It's just... it's not that interesting. All the news channels are in a feeding frenzy, and all leading with the same quote of "everyone should have sympathy for me".

I have no sympathy for her, but it's so obviously stirring up a campaign of hate towards one person at this stage that it's a bit unsettling.

Juells · 18/02/2019 06:25

Another entirely unconvincing “mistakes were made but it isn’t my fault” case.

Not so keen on the 'martyrdom' end of things, are they? Hmm

ReflectentMonatomism · 18/02/2019 07:23

Not so keen on the 'martyrdom' end of things, are they?

Or personal responsibility. The friend's father who was a supporter of Andy Choudary and went on flag burning rallies with his wife and children has a nice line in "I didn't know what I was doing, I was tricked by shadowy forces". Does anyone who gets involved in Muslim extremism ever take responsibility for their own actions, or is it always someone else's fault?

JRMisOdious · 18/02/2019 08:38

That applies equally to all forms of extreme ideology, religious or political. I was misled, lied to, made false promises. It’s always someone else’s fault.

MissEliza · 18/02/2019 09:37

The newspapers today are making the very good point that Syria and Iraq have enough on their plates without having to deal with all the Western jihadis stranded there because their governments won't have them back. Bring her back and stick her in a rehabilitation programme.

Juells · 18/02/2019 09:45

stick her in a rehabilitation programme.

What are these magical programmes that can turn people from loony extremists into caring members of society? Where can they be found? Who finances them?

What strikes me as slightly amusing is that the British government had absolutely no problem about bringing in internment for Irish people, in Ireland. But what to do about returning jihadis, what an insoluble problem... Hmm

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 18/02/2019 09:48

stick her in a rehabilitation programme.

Try solitary confinement for the rest of her life.

Samcro · 18/02/2019 09:50

"bring her back" so who should risk their lives to do that?

ReflectentMonatomism · 18/02/2019 09:51

What strikes me as slightly amusing is that the British government had absolutely no problem about bringing in internment for Irish people, in Ireland

It was massively controversial and arguably counter-productive, and would today fall at the first hurdle of Human Rights Act compliance, and rightly so.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 18/02/2019 09:56

I can't believe anyone thinks that lives should be risked to 'bring her back'. She's caused enough harm to innocent people so why should anyone else suffer?

DGRossetti · 18/02/2019 09:57

What strikes me as slightly amusing is that the British government had absolutely no problem about bringing in internment for Irish people, in Ireland.

We also didn't need a whole raft of civil-liberty testing laws against the IRA we seem to need against muslimic terrorists Hmm

Juells · 18/02/2019 10:00

and would today fall at the first hurdle of Human Rights Act compliance, and rightly so.

Didn't I read on another thread this morning that Britain no longer considers itself bound by the ECHR? Will have a search - think it was on a Brexit thread.

ReflectentMonatomism · 18/02/2019 10:10

Didn't I read on another thread this morning that Britain no longer considers itself bound by the ECHR?

But hasn't repealed the 1998 Human Rights Act, nor is likely to.

brassbrass · 18/02/2019 13:10

I have no sympathy for her, but it's so obviously stirring up a campaign of hate towards one person at this stage that it's a bit unsettling.

I get what you're saying but she's just the tip of the iceberg isn't she? What do we do with all the other European jihadists? What a mess.

Juells · 18/02/2019 13:17

It's quite odd that she says "There's no evidence I did anything illegal". She used the words 'no evidence'. I would have expected someone to say "I have never done anything illegal", wouldn't you?

ReflectentMonatomism · 18/02/2019 13:40

It's quite odd that she says "There's no evidence I did anything illegal".

No, it's not odd at all. She knows she's done bad stuff, and is just hoping that the fog of war will help her get away with it.

If we're all getting sentimental about the rights to British justice for her and her child, then perhaps an inquest might be in order relating to the undocumented deaths of two British citizens, to whit, her children, under the care of another British citizen, her?

Juells · 18/02/2019 14:08

In the Sky News interview (and I think she should stop giving interviews, she's doing herself no favours) the interviewer asked her if she knew about the beheadings etc. before she went to Syria. She said "Yes, but Islamically that's all allowed so I was OK with it."

twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1097116165808230401

I can't imagine, at 15, thinking that was OK no matter what anyone said :(

BertrandRussell · 18/02/2019 14:13

“I can't imagine, at 15, thinking that was OK no matter what anyone said”
Plenty of people believe lots of extraordinarily unpalatable things and teach them to their children. Lots of Christians think gay people will suffer an eternity of hell fire, and tell their children that.

Juells · 18/02/2019 14:29

Lots of Christians think gay people will suffer an eternity of hell fire, and tell their children that.

But unless they're nutty extremists like Westboro Baptists or some of those African churches, they don't believe it's OK to behead them.

The most chilling thing about the interviews with her, I think, is that she can't even tailor what she says to help her cause, because she doesn't realise the things she's saying are not normal. She has no empathy for any of the victims because they weren't proper Muslims, as decreed by ISiS.

Snowmaggedon · 18/02/2019 14:30

I don't think that's a helpful comment ^^ . it's Very antagonising and polarising.

Esp as there has been a Very resent 300 strong Muslim protest against teaching lesbian gay rights Etc at UK school.