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To think everyone saying Shamima Begum should rot in Syria have completely overlooked the fact that she is pregnant

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StepAwayFromGoogle · 14/02/2019 13:39

Just that really. She did a terrible thing going to Syria to marry an ISIS fighter. But she was only 15 and probably incredibly naive. She has already lost two children, one as a complication of malnutrition. And the child she is pregnant with has done nothing wrong. Surely we shouldn't leave him or her there to die too?

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user1481840227 · 17/02/2019 17:13
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AnnaComnena · 17/02/2019 17:18

Or she was a vulnerable and grieving child ...

Vulnerable and grieving how? She had a home, a loving family (or so we're told), good education - every opportunity to make a good life for herself.

I believe she went after the pilot was out in a cage and burned alive whilst being filmed - it was all over the news

And also after it was known what was happening to the Yazidis.

Wauden · 17/02/2019 17:24

She knew exactly what she was doing. She has lied so often, only to suit herself and cannot be trusted at all.

If she returns and is imprisoned the afterwards she will just be freed like the other ones have been.
People like that do not change and it is very naive of anyone to think otherwise.

Juells · 17/02/2019 17:28

Just saw the "people should have sympathy for me" clip. No, I have none. I don't know whether it's her or her family lawyer trotting out the claim that after the girls left it was promised they could return home without consequences, so that should still apply.

Imissgmichael · 17/02/2019 17:32

Did she go after the pilot who was burnt alive? I didn’t know that. If true that’s awful.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 17/02/2019 17:33

Saw the sky news interview- arrogant rude girl who deserves to rot where she is! She has no remorse for what she did, no respect for UK, in no one is she humble to us to bring her home, merely “I can’t stay in this camp forever” - the concept of her being groomed is one I’m struggling with when she was attracted to research into Isis following seeing their evil videos....some people are just born sick, twisted and evil!
We should make no attempt to help bring her back, if she makes it back by herself then she’s British we can’t stop her entering, but arrest her on the spot and adopt out that baby- not to be given to her family to raise.

JRMisOdious · 17/02/2019 17:38

The statement iat the time was that they could return immediately, ie whilst in transit, without consequences. That was obviously retracted when they decided to proceed, entered Syria, made contact with then knowingly and willingly joined a proscribed terrorist organisation.

girraffeduck · 17/02/2019 17:50

She was a child. Yeah good home, good education etc. Some of the victims of the CSE grooming gangs ALSO were. Honestly people have lost the ability to think ... yes a lot had problems before, but by no means all.

Her religion/ideals etc - it was sold to her that she could live in this wonderful Islamic state. And of course it doesn't match up with being wonderful for those who haven't got caught up by conversion or birth in fundamentalist religions or cults but she was and was 15 ffs

Some people are expecting her to grow into something she wasn't equipped to be or shaped into overnight... she's totally swallowed the "it's okay if people aren't believers" shit and thinks God sanctions it so why should she question.

I don't like her particularly but she was simply a child when she made her choices and promised a lovely life and husband, being a "good Muslim" how many 15 year olds aren't idealistic? They haven't even had to pay rent yet, or work a job... she has a really simplistic view "I didn't behead anyone" so I didn't do wrong... but so do we... if our soldiers kill someone who's collateral damage, how many of us take on personal guilt over it??

She's got the mentality of very young woman, and people want to hang her for it without noting the hypocrisy

Imissgmichael · 17/02/2019 17:56

Giraffe she broke the law. Joined a terrorist group she knew were gang raping little girls and women and murdering non believers. Where’s your sympathy for them. Would you like her living next door to you, knowing she wants you dead and your daughter violated? Nah I don’t think so.

girraffeduck · 17/02/2019 17:59

Who the fuck thinks she'll come home and live next door to them? Load of hype... she will spend time being monitored and interrogated long before she will be welcomed ffs. There's not many saying bring her home without any consequences or that what she did was right.

But why she did it... she was a child.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/02/2019 18:09

15 is not a child. It’s a teenager. DS is younger and I’m not saying he is mature for his age but he knows right and wrong, propaganda and lies, and that killing anyone is wrong. But then he decided that god wasn’t real when he was quite little and had RS classes.

Wauden · 17/02/2019 18:13

Be aware that ISIS terrorists have returned, have been released from goal and are now free in our country. Angry
The people who tortured aid workers, beheaded them and filmed this happening. Angry

Gth1234 · 17/02/2019 18:16

It's a shame politicians don't have the intestinal fortitude that most of us would like them to have.

It's interesting that Pres. Trump is trying to put pressure on Europe to deal with ISIS fallout more strongly then most of the soft politicians would like to. You can't keep turning the other cheek. You run out of cheeks.

SaucyJack · 17/02/2019 18:23

It’s not a shame for the Syrians that our politicians don’t have the nerve to dump our terrorists on them to deal with.

girraffeduck · 17/02/2019 18:26

So a kid not born into a fundamentalist form of religion decides it bollox - cool

It's not really that hard though compared to being born into a family where everyone, extended family included follows some form of the faith, where your life is from young built around culture and customs of a particular faith... to step away from it then and decide it's bollocks, much much harder- even those who do often hide it from their community

No her family may not have been extremist but it's not quite the same as if they'd have accepted after a few RS lessons she could make up her mind god wasn't real and that would be that

Imissgmichael · 17/02/2019 18:27

Giraffe but that’s not what’s happening though is it. Returning Isil/isis supporters aren’t all doing jail time. They’re being giving a hug and a kiss i.e. deprogramming. One girl was given a council house, no repercussions at all. In fact despite attracting a jail sentence very few have received one. Your dismissal of people who will have to live near people like this disgusting grown women and your dismissal of her victims ( yes her victims because she is a chearleader of rapists, peodophiles and murderers) is quite worrying.

OrinocoGlow · 17/02/2019 18:37

This girl may well have been groomed or be a victim, we don't know. But whatever she is, she must be a dangerous risk to our society. If and when she returns to the UK with her poor baby, I hope she faces the consequences and is jailed.

girraffeduck · 17/02/2019 18:38

It's more worrying that the world is a spin over a 19 year old woman compared to the actual men who we already have and a noise wasn't made in the media. There's hideous people all around - often living in our neighbourhoods but this girl is the bogeyman who'll kill us all?

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 17/02/2019 18:39

She wasn’t naive her first introduction to these people were of them burning someone alive and beheading others, no decent person sees that and thinks yes let me be a part of that regardless of age

Imissgmichael · 17/02/2019 18:40

-“It's a shame politicians don't have the intestinal fortitude that most of us would like them to have.”

Yep a 1000 times. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. No ones guilty of anything and fuck the victims.

Imissgmichael · 17/02/2019 18:44

girraffeduck

  • “It's more worrying that the world is a spin over a 19 year old woman compared to the actual men who we already have and a noise wasn't made in the media. There's hideous people all around - often living in our neighbourhoods but this girl is the bogeyman who'll kill us all?”

Nah she is a bogeyman. The fact others have gotten away with inhumans acts doesn’t negate her actions.

Justanotherlurker · 17/02/2019 18:57

It's more worrying that the world is a spin over a 19 year old woman compared to the actual men who we already have and a noise wasn't made in the media

People can be concerned about both, it was the lack of remorse that has made it international

Walkingdeadfangirl · 17/02/2019 18:58

The criminal age of responsibility in England is 10, at that age they can KNOW what they are doing is wrong but choose to do it anyway. How the hell can anyone say oh well she was a 15 yo child she didn't now what she was doing, we should forgive her for voluntarily crossing half the world to join the most evil and vicious terrorist group in modern history.

I mean a few months older and people would be saying give her the vote.

She needs to pay for her choices and I hope she never gets out of that camp.

SalrycLuxx · 17/02/2019 19:02

The criminal age of responsibility in England is 10, at that age they can KNOW what they are doing is wrong but choose to do it anyway.

There are many reasons why the UK should have a higher age for criminal responsibility. We’ve one of the lowest in Europe and that’s not commendable.

However - she was 15 and fully aware of the atrocities. Yet she decided to go. And now she shows zero regret. Zero. She’s a psychopath.

Gth1234 · 17/02/2019 19:15

They will end up giving her a new identity. Either that, or a book deal, and celebrity.

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