To think everyone saying Shamima Begum should rot in Syria have completely overlooked the fact that she is pregnant

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Just that really. She did a terrible thing going to Syria to marry an ISIS fighter. But she was only 15 and probably incredibly naive. She has already lost two children, one as a complication of malnutrition. And the child she is pregnant with has done nothing wrong. Surely we shouldn't leave him or her there to die too?

You can read the full transcript of the sky news interview here:

She was attracted by the promotional videos shown on the news ie beheadings.

Oops, couldn't copy link over for some reason. Anyway, it's not hard to find.

I am sorry but for the bleeding hearts saying we should consider she is pregnant. Do you think she gave a moment's thought when her husband and her to some degree were.murdering innocent men, women and children. Selling women and children I to domestic and sexual slavery. Where were their rights.

I hope she fucking rots in jail but we all know that won't be happening. But I hope her.life is one long fucking misery from here onwards.

I don’t think she wanted to live under Islamic law. She chose to live under ISIS; a bloodthirsty, barbaric regime responsible for the murder and annihilation of thousands of innocents including Muslims.

The baby will be Dutch if the father is Dutch if the parents are married. However will the Dutch recognise the marriage since she got married underage? We don’t know that.

Even if the baby is Dutch, there is only responsibility on the BABY. Not SB. Either way, Baby will still be British so The UK will still be jointly responsible for the child. It’ll just have two nationalities,

You can’t offload responsibilities!

Just to chime in on citizenship - the baby can be Dutch and British as both countries give citizenship at birth regardless of where you’re born - the difference is we KNOW she’s his mother, Duch authorities could argue we have no proof who his father is. Also they need proof of a marriage for the child to have Dutch citizenship and if there’s no proof or they’re unmarried then the father needs to acknowledge that’s his child - a little difficult if we don’t know where he is. Essentially at the moment the UK is the only country they are definitely legally citizens of.

^^ I imagine it’ll be pretty hard for acknowledgement from a SDF camp. Plus, I don’t think they’ll accept a ISIS marriage cert as it’s not a legal one. So, acknowledgment is the only way

Or she was a vulnerable and grieving child who was groomed and brainwashed alongside 2 other children (both of who are now dead). She still a teenager, and like it or not a British citizen. If this was any other case of a vulnerable 15 year old being groomed online would we be blaming the child???

I agree with this. If a man grooms a 15 year old here they are convicted and sentenced and the child is deemed to be a victim.

If they groom from overseas, the girls are fair game and deserve whatever consequences come their way.

And for those who say "she isn't showing remorse" try educating yourself about the effects of grooming. Of Stockholm syndrome.

She was 15 for fucks sake. It's beyond awful how she is being talked about.

Just a thought, but does anyone actually know that the baby in the Sky piece is Shamima's, any more than we can know she's lost two previous children? Though I could be wrong I'm not aware of any photos showing her to be obviously pregnant - which cmight have been difficult anyway, given her clothing

AFAIK all anyone has is a claim of pregnancy and a bit of film with someone else holding a baby. Best, perhaps, to take nothing on face value ...

Listening to the Sky interview, she has zero self-awareness and astonishing lack of moral compass. It’s all about her life not being as privileged, as in the heyday of ISIS. Her choice of words of referring to not doing anything ‘dangerous’ is weird too. We are talking illegal, heinous, amoral, brutal, disgusting etc not ‘dangerous’. Zero empathy for the thousands of people, especially other girls and children that suffered. It shows the ridiculous sense of entitlement and hypocrisy of Western ISIS supporters. They willingly joined a war and still give no fucks about the suffering of thousands and thousands of people, mass murder, torture, organised rape etc. No fucks given for the great masses of the population that seen their home destroyed and being displaced. But the moment, their privileged status changed, she pleads ’her belly. What the hell did she expect by turning her back on civilisation and returning to medieval conditions, obstetric care is non-existent and infant mortality is high in regimes where women are shown zero respect. That is what she signed up for. It is interesting that she mentioned having no money. While most the actual population in the ISIS territory suffered, western fighters and their entourage were given quite a lot of money funded through nebulous oil trade etc. The entire interview shows her to be utterly self-absorbed and quite ruthless. ISIS has quite clearly announced its intention to bring the war to Europe and other western countries. Now more so with their physical state collapsing. This is a prime candidate and one of the foot soldiers. It is my understanding that she and her ilk destroyed their western passports and renounced their citizenship. Accept that, hold her to it and leave her in the country she chose as her home.

Re citizenship... if their marriage abroad was registered with the Dutch authorities using a legalised/notarised copy of their marriage certificate then yes, the baby will be Dutch.

Presumably this didn't happen so the baby will only be Dutch if the Dutch father officially recognises it as his (this is done in person in the Netherlands).

She wasn’t groomed from overseas though was she. She sought out the videos herself. She’s admitted this. She signed herself up for an English speaking husband.

She’s potentially very dangerous. Her ideology does not fit with U.K. values. She thinks the beheading of non believers and the wrong type of Muslims is ok. What on earth could go wrong?

MsChanandlerBoing sorry, double-posted what you already said

And for those who say "she isn't showing remorse" try educating yourself about the effects of grooming. Of Stockholm syndrome

Maybe you should educate yourself and realise you cannot give an analysis over a few interviews.

At this point in time she shows no remorse, said it was exactly like the propoganda that she sought out herself and was unfazed by seeing her 'first' head in a bin.

If it was a simple case of Stockholm syndrome we would be going to fetch her to be deprogramed

You are not as enlightened as you think you are.

@Yabbers completely agree. The mob mentality toward this young woman is horrifying

If it was a simple case of Stockholm syndrome we would be going to fetch her to be deprogramed

And if it was a simple case of "she's a terrorist" she'd be fetched or extradited to face charges. As it is, no-one can be bothered either way so let's just let the poor bitch rot

I’ve just seen more coverage of the interview. She really doesn’t see anything wrong with what she has done and is only sorry her little adventure is at an end. She has no love for the UK and is only wanting to return as a default. Yes she could live as a Muslim in the uk (but she wanted the Islam+++ version didn’t she) but the belief is that you obey the law of the land you live in - she has decided that her interpretation of Islam trumps all.

The whole ‘I did nothing I was just a housewife’ table - I don’t buy it. She knew what the regime was like before she went (I believe she went after the pilot was out in a cage and burned alive whilst being filmed - it was all over the news). If it was all cream teas and mother and toddler meeting she would have been disappointed.

I’m prepared to be corrected on this but what trust can we actually place in anything she says? Those talking about interrogation to establish how she feels about IS - she’ll say exactly what best serves her purpose or she’s frightened and she’ll lie. Seems a dead end.

Others have left after being disgusted at the regime or upset they haven had access to mobile phones and MTV. They have bleated like goats about how horrible things were for them.

What do folks make of Donald Trump telling us we have to take Jihadis back to stand trial ?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-47269887

President Trump has told the UK and other European allies to take back and put on trial more than 800 Islamic State (IS) group fighters captured in the final battle against the group.

He should keep his fat nose out.

Of course each nation should take their citizens back to stand trial. Why would all the responsibility be on America?

America has no answers - look at Guantanamo. That seemed to cause more problems than it solved.

Yes and they are doing the right thing here but expecting each country to take back their own citizens to face trial and deal with the consequences.

I haven’t seen the interview, heard only the BBC headline précis: that this woman believes “people should have sympathy for her because of what she has been through”.
Astonishing.