To call out this "vegan"?

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I'm not actually going to! I know it would be so petty. But it's SO tempting.
She posts loads on social media - videos of cruelty on dairy farms and very self-righteous statements about how everyone needs to stop killing babies, why don't you care you are killing the planet?! What are YOU doing to stop cruelty? When are you going to wake up? Etc.
She was stood alone in the kitchen at a BBQ last summer at a mutual friends house and I walked in and she looked like a rabbit in the headlights. I didn't realise why as I don't care what people eat so I didn't notice but then she said "oh you've caught me being naughty and having some haloumi!"
Fast forward months of more self richeous and aggressive posts.
Then the other day she posted on Instagram a picture of her eating a chocolate mousse. I commented "looks lovely -what is it?" She says "it was! Galaxy chocolate mousse".
And I soooo wanted to say "oh wow I didn't realise galaxy chocolate mousse was vegan!"

Jeannie Mack that was stupidly long. If you've read it, thank you, if you haven't, honestly, I don't blame you. I developed word diarrhoea!

' You’re either vegan or not! There’s no in between.'

Weeeeellll, you're right in the literal sense, of course. But for me, there is a big difference between the impact of someone's diet who can't have a meal without meat and a person who eats a predominately vegan diet with a sneaky mouthful of cheese, or an egg from pet hens!

The problem is that massive amounts of meat consumption IS contributing to ecological problems. That is undisputable, and when non-meat-eaters are calling it out, it's not always a case of virtue-signalling, it's about trying to get people to stop burying their heads in the sand about animal welfare and the environmental impact of rearing so much meat for consumption.

The problem for me is that 'vegan', 'ethical' and 'sustainable aren't always synonymous. If I get a vegan ready-meal wrapped in plastic, that's not environmentally friendly. If I eat an avocado, it's likely done more airmiles than I have.
Likewise if I buy a brand new vegan jacket, it's not as sustainable as wearing a second-hand leather one that already exists. Raising awareness and being a preachy dickhead aren't the same either - but it's a bloody fine line... generally, I think people should do their best by their conscience and be open and aware of the issues that are important, globally.

@DerelictWreck yes they do

Yeah greig this was established up thread!

Sorry @DerelictWreck my phone hadn't loaded the next set of pages, I see now someone else has posted the galaxy pots.

I suppose flexitarian is a person who avoids meat most of the time, for the same reasons vegetarians do, but has meat occasionally.

I have an acquaintance who posts lots about Vegan this, that and the next thing and how various other friends should all meet up at this cafe because they do vegan cakes.drinks. Last weekend I spotted her eating a roll and sausage, soooo wish I got a photo :)

Just unfollow her if you find her posts so annoying. You can still be FB friends, you just won’t see her posts - she won’t even know.

@winsinbin the difference (for me anyway) is that omnivores choose to eat a variety of food both animal and plant based. I choose to exclude animal products where possible however realising that it is not always possible (ie only the tesla car is vegetarian and I can't afford it, vaccinations are often made from egg etc)

I once found a family friend who came for Sunday lunch in the kitchen pulling the chicken carcass to pieces and shovelling the meat down her. Her excuse was it didn’t count because she was pregnant and needed the nutrients which I’m sure her body did need more nutrients due to vegan foods. I did threaten to tell the others if she didn’t stop commenting on the lovely food that my mum had made, and pointed out to her that my mum had spent a very long time doing vegan food for her and her hubby.

Vegans who "make an exception " to eat dessert or whatever really annoy me, especially after I've bought in special foods for them. Happens quite often in my experience

To be fair, I don't think there's anyone who has an issue with someone who says "I'm eating more plant-based foods" or "Most of the time I eat vegetarian". Lots of people are doing that - it's on a small scale, but as a family we are doing meat-free Monday. But I would never say that we're vegetarian on a Monday.

The problem is that SOME vegans are very vocal. I have one who posts endlessly with pictures of little calves and things like "don't take me away so you can have Mummy's milk" and other similar passive aggressive shite. People who do that and then are caught scoffing cheese or chocolate mousse absolutely do deserve to be called out on their hypocrisy.

Flexitarian is sooo cringey. Considering nothing is presumably off limits why would you need a label? I would be more impressed if the more preachy vegans shared amazing recipes rather than lectures or pics of animal slaughter etc. I think what alot of pp have said that if someone has been v vocal and lectured others and also expected friends to cater especially for them and make something different, then it is hypocritical and annoying to find them then eating meat/chocolate/cake etc sometimes on the same occassion!

In my, admittedly limited, experience this isn't unusual.

Vegan #1: has quite a big Instagram following based on the fact she's apparently vegan and raising her children vegan. Her Instagram account is NOT representative of real life. She'll post pics of her kids eating some pretentious grain and jackfruit combo with a load of preachy hashtags. The comments underneath will be from other parents praising her for raising her children vegan, asking for tips etc, she posts smug responses implying parents who feed their kids processed meat are abusive. Let me tell you that their weekly post-swimming lesson dinner is a drive thru McDonald's, kids have nuggets and milkshake every Wednesday. They also have normal school dinners. They probably eat more meat than me.

Vegan #2: also on Instagram (I do think social media has instigated this rise in fake veganism). Again, preachy and smug. Stood a few people ahead of me in the petrol station queue the other day, with a KitKat chunky in her hands. Saw her already snarfing it down as she drove off the forecourt.

Vegans #3&4: aka my BIL and SIL, went vegan. Except for if they were getting takeaway coffees, as they don't like soy. And except if they order a takeaway pizza, because they deserve a treat and vegan cheese is gross. And except for the paté they served up to my genuinely vegetarian (and horrified) other SIL. They didnt see the big deal. And many other exceptions.

They enjoy lecturing other people on health and environmental issues, but don't enjoy the harsh reality of a life without cheese and animal livers.

Of course there are genuine vegans, and I don't care about them as long as they're not lecturing me. But this rise in veganism being seen as trendy or something to brag about, is definitely synonymous with lying through your animal eating teeth.

Hiphop because preaching about animal abuse and murdering animals whilst wearing shoes made from the skin of animals is completely hypocritical. Give your leather bag to charity if you really want to, or keep it, as I am assuming you are not the sort of vegan to press issues on friends and family all the time.

If you are pushing your beliefs on my feed in an agressive way .. then you better be above reproach.. because I m going to jump on that if I see you being . naughty after posting videos on dairies .. because those are bloody horrific and haunt nightmares!! Making me feel shit and guilty. Then you scoff something that those animals .suffered for?!!
Baby I m going to be there !! ..

So yes I m definitely make a comment or two .. but if she kept being naughty Id d tell her she’s needs to down grade to a vegetarian !!
Then I d block her..

Actually after the first video of horror I think I d block her.
Not because I don’t feel for those animals because I do .. and I make my food choices accordingly..
But because she’s a fake twat!!

I think the issue is people being arseholes, rather than whether or not they meet shifting standards of veganism/ethical living, which are often in conflict anyway.

Arseholes are arseholes whatever they eat.

My dh is vegetarian. he has not eaten mean since he was 10. He buys fake leather shoes and belts that cost more than leather. He goes nuts when a woman in his office says she is vegan but he has seen her with several non vegan products and even some shrimps, so not even vegetarian. She then preaches to the whole office and picks out dh as she says he knows it is wrong as he is veggie. He ignores her but i have told him next time he sees her eating an animal product to take a photo on his phone and print out and stick on work fridge.

I don't care what anyone eats but don't bloody preach at me. What i eat is my business.

Well, they do kill calves at 4 days so people can drink the mother’s milk... why is it passive aggressive “shite”? Would you rather see footage from the abattoir?

I wish people would just un-follow their annoying vegan friends (you can un-follow without un-friending), instead of bashing them behind their backs because they’re actually vegetarians and thus horrifying hypocrites or whatever.

Just like I should stop clicking on these vegan-bashing threads!

it's baffling how ignorant/hypocritical people are over food. Saying that they'd never ever eat veal but consume dairy by the gallon.

Nobody likes a hypocrite, but we are also all human. The same could be said for a lot of people and their actions, just the ‘v’ word tends to be an easy target these days. At least she’s trying. Maybe encourage her to stick to what she preaches, rather than trying to tear her down?

Who are 'they' QwertyLou?
If they kill the calves at 4 days, where do they get cows, bulls and steers from?

@MikeUniformMike

The dairy industry has a very dark side. Google will help you, if you really, really want to know.

(This is what made me stop eating dairy even though I insanely love cheese)