To call out this "vegan"?

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I'm not actually going to! I know it would be so petty. But it's SO tempting.
She posts loads on social media - videos of cruelty on dairy farms and very self-righteous statements about how everyone needs to stop killing babies, why don't you care you are killing the planet?! What are YOU doing to stop cruelty? When are you going to wake up? Etc.
She was stood alone in the kitchen at a BBQ last summer at a mutual friends house and I walked in and she looked like a rabbit in the headlights. I didn't realise why as I don't care what people eat so I didn't notice but then she said "oh you've caught me being naughty and having some haloumi!"
Fast forward months of more self richeous and aggressive posts.
Then the other day she posted on Instagram a picture of her eating a chocolate mousse. I commented "looks lovely -what is it?" She says "it was! Galaxy chocolate mousse".
And I soooo wanted to say "oh wow I didn't realise galaxy chocolate mousse was vegan!"

wellocks
Not all buddhists are vegetarian, let alone vegan.
Most of the ones we met happily ate all sorts of meat and eggs and fish

Also this link but I suspect bias...

www.bitesizevegan.org/bite-size-vegan-nuggets/main-nuggets/vegans-in-ancient-times-the-history-of-veganism-part-one/

Galaxy do not currently make chocolate mousse.... ?

The other day I picked up 2 corn tortilla crisps, thought they weren't Doritos. They were. Ate the other one. Eep! Still feel bad about it.

@7salmonswimming this might help?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianismbyy_country

Lots of my Indian friends living in Europe have told me that their parents would throw out their (as in my friends) plates and cutlery if they knew that they had served meat products on them! When their parents visit, they obey the traditional no animal products food rules.

I would totally call her out, bet she has a few leather belts/bags/shoes in her wardrobe too and her beauty products aren't cruelty free

wellocks
I've been having a rummage around on Wikipedia and the supporting links.
The closest I can find to a "vegan culture" is Jain monks, and they eat cheese and drink milk sometimes.
I can find no evidence at all of "entire cultures" being vegan.

Well, I didn't know that about Buddhists. I've just spent a very happy few minutes learning more about Buddhism on the BBC kids' site

Why all this aggression against vegans? Would you do the same if someone chose not to eat chocolate (for example)? Agree no-one should lecture or preach to anyone else about their lifestyle choices. If their choice offends you, cut off your contact with them on facebook and instagram and stop looking at their posts. Simples.
My daughter is a vegan (extremely fit and healthy, by the way). She hasn't eaten meat for 10 years, NEVER lectures anyone and has a boyfriend who always has a steak when they eat out - she says that's 'his choice' and just asks people to respect 'her choice'. She gets sick of people 'trying to catch her out' or questioning her beliefs when she makes a vegan choice in a restaurant (why question the person who's gone for the vegan option - would you question the person who's gone for the meat option?) Your vegan 'friends' aren't irritating 'vegans' , they are just irritating 'people' who want to look different and special. They don't represent all vegans.

Well said @Katebromley

kath
But as per that link, there is no evidence to support the percentage in India, and lots of other pages on religious food principles undermine it ....
vegetarian yes, vegan no.

^ what Katebromley said

I’m a vegan and I HATE people like this!

I would call her out in a heart beat!

And I also despise when vegans force it down others throats - it makes the rest of us look like psychopathic nutters!

Would you do the same if someone chose not to eat chocolate (for example)? tbg yes, if they kept going on and on about how they'd cut it out, how bad it is for you and how evil sugar plantations etc are and then was chowing down on a Mars bar, I would comment.
The difference between OP's friend and your daughter is the practise what you preach (or not preach but you know what I mean)
Say I'm trying to eat more vegan foods / trying to cut out dairy etc but don't claim to be something you aren't and then plaster is over SM

wellocks
Its a really interesting topic
and does not take away from the fact that westerners eat too much meat

also does not negate the fact that the OP's "friend" is a wazzock

completely agree

Katebromley

It's not against vegans, it's against hypocrisy. Regular meat-eaters can't call themselves vegetarian. People who turn a deliberate blind-eye to do what they want can't then say they're something they're not ie vegan.

I cook several vegan meals, and more vegetarian. I'm trying to cut down on meat and make some environmentally sound choices - my main focus is reducing waste, plastic waste in particular. I'm not sure my friends even know and if I do get a plastic bag I'm not going to make an embarrassment of myself because I haven't been a numpty lecturing all my friends on their habit as the 'vegan' in my social circle is beginning to

I have no issues with vegans who are just getting on with their lives and choices, and who don't try to make me feel like the bad guy for not making the same choice.

@TalkinPeece I think the hardcore 100% undisputed historical evidence that you are requesting might not exist? Cultural practices change and were rarely fully documented in ye olde Times.

Anyway...

Another quick google search offered this

www.vegansociety.com/about-us/history

Anyway, for me, it kinda makes sense that veganism (as opposed to vegetarianism) as we know it is quite a new concept. Animals were never mass farmed before, cultures never consumed so much. It was more about local, and when an animal was slaughtered for food, most parts of the carcass were used for as much as possible. The meat and dairy industry is very different these days, and I know that many people regardless of their dietary preferences and choices are concerned about this. As I said earlier, veganism is (for me) more about ethical treatment for animals.

@TalkinPeece

I’m not going to think through every book, article, text I’ve read in my life with a view to remembering what I read where, then finding an internet link that meets your approval. This is general knowledge to me.

Off the top of my head, though, look to Jainism in India, Central African tribes located closer to arid climates where there’s not enough water to sustain livestock as well as human, similarly arid areas in the Middle East, and parts of S America. I think (not sure though) that I read something about a Japanese people (perhaps no longer around) who eschewed the traditional fish-based diet in favour of plant and root-based foods. Some are vegan through necessity and paucity of choice; some for religious and others for spiritual reasons.

More, though, ask yourself whether the 21C Western human beings are the first to “discover” veganism. Apply common sense. Seriously.

The OPs friend is indeed a wazzock.

It's people like this give all vegans a bad name: preachy AND hypocritical.

Am vegan myself, btw.

kath
Indeed
However there is bucket loads of evidence - eg in 500 year old Buddhist temple paintings - of fish and eggs being staples of the diet

Hence why I questioned salmon's assertion

I don’t know if I missed it (and without googling) but why isn’t hummus vegan?

salmon
This is general knowledge to me.
Does not make it right.
Jains are not vegan
Central african tribes in dry areas drink the blood of their livestock
in wet areas they eat everything they can catch

More, though, ask yourself whether the 21C Western human beings are the first to “discover” veganism.
You mean had access to enough food to be able to pick and choose exactly what they want to eat
Yup, I'd say its a modern first world problem

Duh! Ignore me. I see she was eating halloumi, not hummus!

I think being vegan is fantastic if that's your choice - but forcing it on others and then not even doing it properly yourself. Come on!

I think I must have met different Vegans to you OP. It sounds to me like she's following Veganism to the letter.

I would have unfollowed ages ago on SM. I wouldn't call her out though- life's too short.