To agree with Donald tusk there is a place in hell for brexiters

[Tooldemont]

All the ones that aranged for brexit without any clear plan can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. That's why we are in such a mess now!

The main reason I voted remain was the fact that there was no plan. No one could give us any idea of what would happen.
Almost three years down the line and we still have no plan. Then you get the likes of mummy talking about remainers demands. It's a fucking joke!

Leavers were sold this as a good thing - now to be fair it we really could get what was promised outside of the EU I would be fine. But we cant we never could so I voted remain

No deal is just a toddler throwing a tantrum in the hope we will somehow manage to get the good points of the EU without the bad

No one has ever given a plan as to how it would work positively particularly with the backstop - and until there is one how can we go

mummmy2017

People have lost, and more will, their jobs which are moving to the EU

People, EU citizins that live in the UK, and British people living in the EU, have no idea what's going on and are scared about their future. They have families, houses, jobs, kids in school.

Businesses are moving trillions out of the UK.

Ireland is stable now. To go backwards and the conflict again would be deadly.

That's just for starters. Do you really not see that? Really?

I’m not outraged. - I’m happy he’s shown himself up for what he is.
Bitter & arrogant.

What a load of utter twaddle.

Donald Tusk is more balanced and talented a statesman than any we have in this country at the moment. And it takes an outsider to speak the truth to a nation dominated by a mostly utterly dreadful press.

The fact that people like Andrea Leadsome are so offended is neither here nor there.

I'm actually loving how the groups who make statements about snowflakes and others being "offended" are so upset.

Stop making me laugh, a balanced, talented, ‘statesman’ wouldn’t have said what he said.
He’s made Donald Trump look balanced.

surferjet

You speak no end of brainwashed crap.

So are you saying there is a plan (other than the one our parliment has rejected)? Do tell.

’he's made Donald Trump look balanced

Oh you just had to overegg the pudding there

why100000
‘ark who’s talking.

Let's go back to basics, can anyone who voted for this shitshow please please tell me how my life is going to be better after Brexit?

Once we've got our crap deal with the EU or we crash out with no deal, the argument is going to be that there was a land of milk and honey Brexit just waiting for us if only we'd said fuck you to the EU right at the start and immediately walked away with no deal.

Completely delusional, that would have required the government assuming unprecedented powers, possibly instant martial law, but that's going to be the story: lovely Brexit turned to shit because the politicians didn't have the nerve to give us the land of milk and honey version that was there for the taking.

rosie39forever

Good luck with that...I’m still waiting for someone to do just that!

It’s almost like they can’t.

All hail the terminally stupid

as I recall, The (campaigning) Leaver insinuation was that UK would have a Free Trade Deal (with EU) all worked out at end of A50 period, as well as or replacement for a withdrawal arrangement. "Easiest deal in history" and all that. EU insisted on separate WA & future trade deal negotiations for many reasons. I seem to recall much protest by UK who wanted simultaneous negotiations, but eventual capitulation to EU's timetable by start autumn 2017.

If we had had simultaneous negotiations, they would have blown up spectacularly & quickly as UK/BeLeavers realised they weren't actually able to get as good a deal out of EU as they get by being EU member.

Cmon leavers just one thing, one tiny thing that makes the last 2 years of divided communities and families all worth while?

@rosie39forever - our lives are going to be so much better after Brexit because don't cha know, we will be getting our country nd sovereignty back. 😉

I'd be laughing if the situation wasn't so terrifying.

Ironfloor269

Now come on, be fair, you’ve missed out blue passports.

rosie, I heard something about blue passports? Could've been a dream though...

Ooooh, oooh, I know! I definitely remember hearing that there were going to be fewer muslamic ray-guns knocking around after Brexit. So, you know, that's gotta be a positive, right?

I'm a remainer, but I do think that Tusk and the EU are partly responsible for this mess.

The time for planning was before Article 50 was triggered. However, Tusk and the EU refused to engage in any negotiations before A50 was triggered and pushed the UK to go ahead as soon as possible. Effectively, he was promoting that the UK trigger A50 without a plan.

Presumably he'll take his place in hell alongside the other dickheads.

But Tusk was still not responsible for no plan at all. As in no base for negotiation in place and approved by Parliament. As in, no clear idea of what kind of relationship the UK wanted with the EU. As in, voters weren't even aware of what they were voting for.

The EU did not create the problem. They were given a problem.

You seem to be saying that the EU should have negotiated the terms of the UK leaving the EU before the UK actually confirmed that they were leaving. Why would they do that?

The fundamental point is that since the UK was thinking about leaving, it was the UK's responsibility to spend some time working out what it could ask for (that was possible in a domestic political sense) and once it was satisfied it could negotiate on that basis, to have then triggered Article 50.

The more I see the UK shirking its responsibility, the more I see the EU realising that a no deal Brexit is inevitable and for it to say:

You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

The UK could still have chosen to delay the triggering of Article 50, regardless of what the EU 'pushed'.

The EU is not responsible for decisions made by the UK parliament.

Why might that be, I wonder?

But if we dont know how we want to brexit how on earth do the EU know.

The time for the sketch of a plan was before the Referendum

But no, the Leave campaign(s) took the conscious decision not to make or even outline any plans - because then they could be challenged as to whether they were realistic or feasible .

Much easier to make vague promises of future nirvana . The feelz as opposed to any facts (as I think it was Dominic Cummins who said that the mistake that the Remain campaign made was to try to deal in facts whereas feelings can't be countered).

They'd "learnt" that from the Indyref, when the SNP Government did put together a 470 page White Paper outlining their vision (and options) for an independent Scotland and the MSM and No Campaign just used to to nitpick.