To think this is so sad

[Charlie97]

Newborn baby found in a park last night, my heart breaks for both mother and baby.

I know I would not wanted to give birth alone (I presume mum was alone) and without pain relief and medical help.

Baby found abandoned in freezing East Ham park

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47083204

Sorry thought you knew all about it @thatsmyspace , thought you read it all
In the sun!

@JacquesHammer is the sun is not a reputable source why are you quoting from it? The 30 minutes came from that paper?

@Charlie97 the sun/mirror/ bbc news it's everywhere if you go read!

@thatsmyspace I have, I put the first post on here with the relative link

I wonder how someone became so desperate to give birth probably alone and leave the baby where she knew it would be found, I really hope she's ok and there's a happy ending. I was a teenage Mum scared to tell my Parents I was pregnant it was a pretty bad time and fortunately things turned out ok for me so hopefully they will for this Mum

@TacoLover I'm very sorry for your situation.

The 30 minutes came from that paper?

That’s in several other more reputable sources.

As an aside would you mind not @-ing me please. I have notifications turned off but I still get them. Thanks

Taco,
I can understand your rage at this story then. And of course I know nothing about your mother.
She abandoned you because she was ashamed for her family to know about you? I was very fortunate, when I was pregnant my family would have supported me whatever kind of baby had arrived.

Some of the comments on here 🙀
Just what could the circumstances be that end with a girl/woman squatting in a park in mid winter and giving birth, wrapping her in a towel and then leaving her to be found whilst dragging themselves away?

Hardly likely to be someone with a conventional background, relationship, loving family is it?

For those spooning out your armchair judgement - I'm sure you can't imagine doing this. Be grateful your life hasn't led you to what is clearly a desperate act.

I’m wondering what circumstances would be worthy of compassion for some on here?

A trafficked girl who was a victim of CSE?
A prostitute?
A homeless woman who was a victim of rape?
A woman suffering post partum psychosis?
A woman with significant MH symptoms?
A woman in a violent relationship, suffering on going trauma?
An illegal immigrant, with no way of accessing healthcare?
A 12 year old who hid a pregnancy and didn’t know what else to do?
A woman with addiction issues?
A woman from a culture where pregnancy outside marriage is likely to end in “corrective” action or death.

Because any of the above are more likely than a woman doing this “maliciously” whatever the fuck that even means.

The baby was less than 30 minutes old. Just think about that.

I am really pleased she was found so quickly and is getting medical care. I hope she is adopted and has a happy life - the outcomes for children adopted early are pretty good. Much better than those for children who have to be put into foster care later on in childhood.

I was very fortunate, when I was pregnant my family would have supported me whatever kind of baby had arrived.

Yes, I am aware that most women are supported by their families through pregnancy. The reason why I find it so hard to generate sympathy for this woman and am cynical of people determined to paint this woman as an innocent victim when she has left her baby in freezing temperatures is because I know that it is entirely possible to do this maliciously/with intent of leaving the baby to die. And also why it annoyed me seeing people posting how it's impossible that a woman would abandon her baby in these circumstances, when that is bollocks.

Taco, would your birth mother have abandoned you if she'd had family support?

Sorry Taco, I th8nk I misread your post. Ignore me.

@SaturdayNext if you had read my posts you will see that I said "I have sympathy for both but the majority of it goes to the baby"

Well, no. What you said, thatsmyspace, was "Only one person in my eyes deserves sympathy".

And adoption doesn't happen over night so yes it will go into care.

Again, you are misrepresenting what you posted, which was that that the baby would "grow up most probably in care". The baby may go back to her mother, or one of her relatives; if she is adopted, she won't.

It's also quite revealing that, for all your concern, you call the baby "it".

@SmileEachDay Do you think any of those circumstances excuse the mother from leaving her newborn baby in a safer environment? Even if that was leaving her on a doorstep of a house where clearly people were home, ringing the bell and running away.

Would you have as much sympathy for the mother if the baby wasn’t found as soon, and hadn’t survived?

“She was found straight away, she’s getting the treatment she needs” doesn’t really cut it. That could have very easily not been the case here, and is it not the mother’s responsibility?! If not, then who? That baby didn’t ask to be brought into the world!

Jos

She was found quickly - does that not suggest the mother may have ensured that was the case?

That baby did not ask to be brought into this workd

The mother may well not have asked to be pregnant.

Yes, I would treat the mother with compassion. Why wouldn’t I?

why are you so desperate to defend this person that you know nothing about? Stop trying to justify other people's actions. It's embarrassing. Wait until you know facts because you might end up looking the fool

Why are you so desperate to attack this person that you know nothing about, thatsmyspace? Why don't you wait till you know the facts?

As for embarrassment and looking the fool, I'm not sure that that's a sensible accusation to make from someone who has already been demonstrated to be misrepresenting her own posts.

Josico, are you seriously suggesting that something like significant mental health difficulties or post partum psychosis wouldn't excuse the mother? Why?

@SmileEachDay there's such thing as the morning after pill and abortion. There's no excuse for what this person did.end of! How many people would have been out last night in heavy snow and after 10pm. Someone was looking down on that baby last night! It was sheer luck she was found.

That baby didn’t ask to be brought into the world!

What makes you think the mother wanted a baby? Rape? Trafficking? Prostitution? You do know these things happen don't you?

I haven't passed judgement once

Oh, the irony. Quote:

"It's almost like these mothers want the baby to die. It's so cruel"

"the person that dumped it"

"You'd have to heartless to dump it out in the cold. If a parent did this to a their 1/2/3 ect a lynching would be called for. This is no different in my eyes."

To say nothing of the implied comparison with "scum" dumping dogs.

It’s almost hilarious hearing all these people say what “she” should’ve done. Almost. If it wasnt so fucking infuriating that is.

SmileEachDay there's such thing as the morning after pill and abortion. There's no excuse for what this person did.end of! How many people would have been out last night in heavy snow and after 10pm. Someone was looking down on that baby last night! It was sheer luck she was found.

@thatsmyspace your lack of ability to not understand how some people live is unbelievable! For someone who has five children I would e thought you to know a little bit more about the real world for those less fortunate.

BTW I reckon there’s a bit of trolling going on here. Don’t feed it.

The mum must have been absolutely desperate. I don’t she can be judged whatever her situation.