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To feel frustrated with friend

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Fabaunt · 29/01/2019 13:45

I’ll try keep this brief. My DP and her DH are brothers. She is one of my closest friends. Neither her or DH work, myself and DP would have good jobs. Myself and DP are getting married in 13 months, and have no children. She has 2. 4yr old and 2yr old.

Initially both myself and DP would have been very generous with DNs but favours soon became tasks. It was expected rather than appreciated.

A few things have reared their heads that has irritated me a lot. The 4 of us went away for a long weekend. On the last night they made it known money was tight and she wanted to spend what she had left on stuff for the kids. We decided to have a quiet night, and just go to the cinema and for dinner afterwards. DP ended up paying for the tickets and snacks at the cinema because neither his brother or my friend made a play to put their hands in their pocket.

My DP was quite irritated and afterwards when we went to dinner he told me he hoped he wasn’t expected to pay. Sure enough, we all ordered, they ordered beer and cocktails, she ordered duck and a starter. Bill came, and DP took out his phone to split the bill. We owed £42, they owed £60. Friend was quite taken aback but they paid. The whole way back to hotel, she blanked me and refused to speak to me. She was odd with me the next day so I spoke to her. She told me she felt DP was mean, and tight because he knew her DH and herself were broke and needed what was left for presents for her kids. She said it wasn’t like we were stuck for money and if he really couldn’t afford it he could have put their share on his card and they would pay him back when they got home.

DP is always the one left paying for taxis and drinks, in fact at their DS2 christening, her DH asked DP to pay for the food.

If we are out with them DP has to remind his brother he hasn’t bought a round.

I used to always buy her oldest son an outfit at his birthday and Christmas (top, jumper, pants, shoes/sneakers) and toys. After the second was born she would ask for more expensive things, and would ask for matching converse etc. The toys she would pick out would be expensive too.

I didn’t mind that so much until I saw her sell presents I had given (that she had picked out) on Facebook marketplace, for almost the price I paid.

DP told me to stop spoiling the children and in the last year I have picked up a toy each, for birthdays and Christmas. Her DH has told DP I have upset my friend because she feels I don’t care about the boys anymore.

We are going on a cruise for our honeymoon and ending it with 3 nights in NYC, and herself and her DH are talking about joining us and making a proper holiday out of it.

I don’t want to share our honeymoon because I know we will end up paying for a lot of their expenses.

How would you deal with money issues coming between our friendship?

OP posts:
NCforthis2019 · 25/02/2019 10:19

I have read the full thread. I have no words on what this absolute awful woman has done to you. Dont invite her to your wedding - she will make a scene. Dont babysit. I would just leave your partner and his brother to have a relationship and you need to go very very low contact. This woman is insane.

LunafortJest · 25/02/2019 10:43

I think she should at least try. That is why CFs get away with it, because no one wants to call them out. And the CFs are the ones writing letters complaining about others, because they aren't the ones who give up so easily and say 'oh it probably won't make a difference', 'oh she will show her friends (they may just question her on a point or 2 and their response might call them out, too)'.

That's a defeatist attitude. Nothing will ever change if the good guys do nothing because they think before they've tried it is worthless. You need to at least try. So what if she shows it to others? Whats the worst that can happen? They'll see the points the OP is making. And that will put CF in a tricky position. It sounds like OP has never been able to have it out with OP and truly explain why she feels hurt, because every time there is shouting and yelling and storming out. A letter is the perfect avenue, the CF will see the OP can also use a letter to explain her side, she just may, just may change on something even if minor. And I think she will be too ashamed to show it to others anyway. If every OP out there gave out, the CFs would run the world. No. The exact opposite needs to happen. The OP really needs to write a letter explaining her feelings, her side, her hurts. It may not change anything, but by goodness you have to try!!! Take it as the very last attempt. OP can get it all out without interruptions from CF.

Blueuggboots · 25/02/2019 14:32

I've read the full thread.

DO NOT BABYSIT!!!! These children are far too young to actually care. She's using them as a way back in.

If it's a family party, why are the children not going?

The way she has treated her step-child says everything you need to know about how she really feels about kids.

Block and ignore....

Jux · 25/02/2019 15:02

The babysitting is a ploy a test. Quite how she works it, though, is beyond me. It's very twisted, and I think whatever you do she'!l play it so you're the baddje.

When you do see your dns, be aware they may wel! Be primed to say specific. Things to you like they'd love to have something but..., Or that mum says you don't listen so much any more etc.

woolduvet · 25/02/2019 15:38

It is a shame it's now, but I wouldn't babysit as surely the children are invited!!
Offer another day when it suits you maybe.

Fabaunt · 25/02/2019 18:05

My partner Facebook messaged his brother back this evening. He said that while we both miss the boys, were nowhere near ready to take them overnight given all that’s gone on. He addressed the letter too and basically said that he didn’t appreciate how she addressed me, and said that I have always gone above and beyond for the boys, and have treated them far better than should be expected from an “outsider”. He said that I am the hardest working, kindest person he knows and he won’t stand by and allow his wife to disrespect me. He said that both dsil and dbil are adults, and parents, and should be capable of standing on their own 2 feet. He said that I still feel quite hurt that our baby is never remembered or included in conversations, and that I feel that our baby didn’t matter to them at all. He has told his brother that he feels it is for the best if dsil doesn’t attend the wedding at all, and has asked that all passive aggressive attempts to goade me and guilt me into submission is stopped because I need time to recover from a friendship that was all take and no give. The message has been read as of 20 minutes ago, but no response. DP is utterly fed up and at this stage doesn’t want anything to do with his brother. He reckons there won’t be a reply.

OP posts:
birdseatworms · 25/02/2019 18:11

OP so far I've only read and not responded to anything, but I think your DP has handled that perfectly. I'm so glad the 2 of you are sticking to your guns!

chilling19 · 25/02/2019 18:19

Bravo to your DH! Excellent response 👏

OhDearGodLookAtThisMess · 25/02/2019 18:30

You see, it's all very well to "turn the other cheek" and "not stoop to their level" and all that, but the upshot of that is that CFs see that as tacit acceptance of their interpretation of events.
We've had something similar in our family, and one person feels wrongly in our view undervalued and attacked, and has lashed out. For years, we've tried to rise above the sniping and nasty comments, and only very recently let it be known that it's a two-way street and feathers in both camps are ruffled. They had no idea but didn't care anyway so fuck it.

showerpower · 25/02/2019 18:35

Excellent response 👏🏻

DarlingNikita · 25/02/2019 18:47

Well done, OP and OP's DP!

Blueuggboots · 25/02/2019 18:50

Wow. Your OH is awesome!! ThanksThanks

CallMeRachel · 25/02/2019 18:56

Magnificent response!! Respect to your DP.

Just wait now for drama like a medical emergency for SIL caused by a few home truths Grin

If you get anything nasty back be sure to send them the link to this thread. These people need to know what they have been like.

importantkath · 25/02/2019 19:22

Amazing response from your DP. I have a SIL who is like this, (but has many more children than 2, has never worked a day in her life and thinks that we all owe her because of it) but PIL's pander to her because no one wanted to rock the boat and MIL had said that she is sure she will stop them having access to the kids. She has even been so bold as to say that when PIL's die, she knows that her DBS will give her everything as she has nothing. Hmm

PP who have said that she will start again when you have children are absolutely right. My SIL got pregnant each time I had a child (and we have four!) I have been no contact with her when DC1 was a baby, and she has never met the others. SIL would always go through DH if she wanted to be in contact, as he obviously has emotional attachment to her, but he always defended me. DH's other brother has now gone NC, which is also apparently my fault too.

The best thing I ever did was stand up to my SIL and her bullying, manipulative ways. Life is quiet and drama free these days.

I was also be cautious about uninviting her to the wedding, that can always be retracted if and when she apologised and proves that she can behave like an adult, but I would definitely make sure she does not worm her way back into the wedding party. She 'resigned' and you asked someone else. Don't tell her anything else about the plans. Change a few details. Thems the breaks.

Stay strong!

cstaff · 25/02/2019 19:28

Well done to your partner. That is a fantastic response and the truth. They needed to hear it. Now back away until and if you are ready to address them at all. You probably will coz you come across on here as a bit of a softee and don't take that the wrong way - that's a compliment Wink. Give yourself a break. Best of luck.

whiteroseredrose · 25/02/2019 19:34

Just read the thread. You've made your feelings clear and spelt everything out. I hope in time you'll be able to rebuild a relationship where it's give and take.

madmumofteens · 25/02/2019 19:35

Great update OP I hope they both take on board what has been said x

Groovee · 25/02/2019 19:43

Well done to your DP.

SecretMillionaire · 25/02/2019 19:59

You’re DP is a keeper. A very well considered response from him.

JammyGem · 25/02/2019 20:03

Your DP is definitely a keeper. Well done to him for standing up for you against his brother, that must've been hard for him.

Raspberrytruffle · 25/02/2019 20:14

@fabaunt I'm wondering if your bil knows that is batshit partner sent a letter? How embarrassing for him. Kudos on your amazing dp he is a keeper Grin

doobyooby · 25/02/2019 20:22

I'm betting your BIL doesn't know his wife sent a nasty ten page letter, that's why he thought it was fine to ring to ask for babysitting.

I'm glad to read you won't be babysitting. Don't give in else you'll just go back to where you were before. Stand your ground.

Snog · 25/02/2019 20:50

Well done your dp standing up for you and with you

AnneOfCleavage · 25/02/2019 20:53

Mouth is hanging open and my flabber well and truly gasted!!! Can't believe the gall of her letter then her DH asking your DP to babysit. Well done to your DP for a brilliant message back and for being so supportive of you.

My first thought when I read that Bil wanted the kids babysitting as they had a family party to attend was why is this so different to your wedding being child free. Only cats picked up on it.

I have never met such entitled folks as these relations of yours and for that I am truly thankful either that or I've nipped it in the bud before it got that bad and I hope I never do.

Stay strong and enjoy planning YOUR dream wedding and honeymoon.

NCforthis2019 · 25/02/2019 21:00

Your DP is a keeper.