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Guilty of sexually assaulting a 6 year old - but no consequences

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feministfairy · 29/01/2019 08:51

Unbelievable! This poor child (upsetting content)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/student-guilty-of-sex-assault-on-girl-6-will-not-be-punished-rpzdx6bmv?shareToken=a5f3f8d4d214df63fa3b4d0f4323ea4c

There is already a thread on FWR but this needs sharing as widely as possible

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ichifanny · 29/01/2019 08:54

It’s a very upsetting event but is it the dome thing to criminalise children for life and put them on the sex offender register for offences at aged 15 ?

feministfairy · 29/01/2019 08:57

ichifanny
A 15 year old who abuses a 6 year old child for 2 years ought to know that it's wrong.
He's going to be a dentist (sedating women and children as part of his job )

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littlbrowndog · 29/01/2019 08:57

The sexual assaults were carried out on the wee girl for 2 years
He was found guilty
What about the wee girl
He is not even getting put on sexual offenders register

ichifanny · 29/01/2019 09:00

How on earth can you be found guilty of a crime and there be no punishment ? I assumed it was his age that meant he wasn’t legally prosecuted but I see that isn’t the case , they can’t have it both ways .

Iamtheworst · 29/01/2019 09:01

Wow, this is really worrying.
Leaving aside the sex offenders register for the moment, surely he deserves a sentence of some kind! As it stands he was found guilty and has received no punishment. What deterrent is it? If we can assume disordered thinking that causes you to assault a child it’s not a stretch to see this as carte blanche to do it again.
What message to that poor girl. Yes, you were assaulted, we agree this man assaulted you, but we’re not going to punish him.
How will this affect her future career prospects? What if she struggles receive a full education?

ichifanny · 29/01/2019 09:03

Not condoning everything I just like to know all the facts before I go around with pitchforks , I see he was criminally convicted which changes things , sets a scary precedent for sexual assault cases . I expect there’s more to the story also .

SB1189 · 29/01/2019 09:03

Surely a disclosure and barring check will prevent him working as a dentist, I can’t believe you can work in a role like that with a conviction?

ichifanny · 29/01/2019 09:03

It will show in a disclosure check any criminal convictions will .

littlbrowndog · 29/01/2019 09:05

So if a dbs search is done on him if he volunteer s nothing will be revealed that he sexually assaulted a child for 2 years

Idonotlikeyoudonaldtrump · 29/01/2019 09:07

Won’t it come up in an enhanced DBS as it will be on the police national computer?

Miane · 29/01/2019 09:08

No it won’t SB and Ichi according to the Times:

He was granted the discharge by Sheriff Gerard Sinclair after being found guilty at Dumbarton sheriff court at the end of a three-day trial. It means that Daniel, from Glasgow, will not be placed on the sex offenders register and the guilty verdict was not recorded as a conviction.

littlbrowndog · 29/01/2019 09:08

It says the guilty verdict was not recorded as a criminal conviction
He got an absolute discharge

ichifanny · 29/01/2019 09:09

You don’t volunteer info for a disclosure it’s done independent of information you offer up so I expect they would easily see he had this conviction

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 29/01/2019 09:10

How has this happened?

that little girl went through all that extra trauma for nothing. the lesson she has learned is that her pain is less important than her abuser's career

and being convicted of sexually assaulting a child is SUPPOSED to ruin your life. since there are some people whose conscience doesn't prevent them from doing this, life ruining needs to happen as a deterrent

the thinking behind this makes no sense to me at all

Idonotlikeyoudonaldtrump · 29/01/2019 09:11

An enhanced check can show non-conviction information too so it would even show if there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute

Neverunderfed · 29/01/2019 09:11

How does that work? How does a guilty verdict not get recorded? I'm not asking as outraged, rhetorical questions by the way...I genuinely don't get it?

Datun · 29/01/2019 09:12

I'm glad this is in AIBU. It will reach a larger audience. There will be someone, somewhere, who might have an inkling of what sort of circumstances would result in this.

Reallyevilmuffin · 29/01/2019 09:13

Scottish law is mental. How much did he pay for the lawyer to find a loophole like that? Seriously not on.

Idonotlikeyoudonaldtrump · 29/01/2019 09:13

The enhanced dbs checks what info the police hold on someone even if they weren’t convicted. Police will disclose info if it’s relevant.

For example if someone had a child on the child protection register, that would show up and whether it prevented someone working would depend on the circumstances.

Idonotlikeyoudonaldtrump · 29/01/2019 09:14

This is still outrageous though.

AngryAttackKittens · 29/01/2019 09:15

I have to say, the fact that the comments immediately went to "well what about the poor wee lad's future" makes me despair for our collective future.

There is nothing peer to peer about a teenager raping a pre-pubescent child, and if someone is already doing that as a teenager he's going to be terrifying as an adult. One who will have access to materials he can use to sedate potential victims.

Ginkythefangedhellpigofdoom · 29/01/2019 09:17

Well that's ruined my Tuesday.

The world really is a disgusting place sometimes

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 29/01/2019 09:20

It’s a very upsetting event but is it the dome thing to criminalise children for life and put them on the sex offender register for offences at aged 15

yes it is

this person is a predator

protecting children from predators is part of what the sex offenders register is for

good grief

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 29/01/2019 09:21

The enhanced dbs checks what info the police hold on someone even if they weren’t convicted. Police will disclose info if it’s relevant.

Agree that this is usually the case and I believed it would be what happens this time; but it seems that the absolute discharge means that this cannot be disclosed by the police on a DBS as the offence has essentially been "wiped".

I am stunned that this can happen.

feministfairy · 29/01/2019 09:21

The DBS issue is a worry but of far greater concern is that a young man between the ages of 15 - 17 can sexually abuse a 6 year old girl and have no legal consequence. How on earth can this be right?

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