AIBU to request a positive thread on Brexit?

[mobyduck]

Everyone here (nearly) says it will be bad.
Let's hear some positives about our coming freedom from the EU!

Well there's the incredibly empowering lack of doctors, nurses and essential medications to look forward to.

The hilarious unsettling of the northern Ireland agreement.

And how I'm looking forward to no longer adhering to the human rights act! I mean, why would I, as a human being, expect to have rights?

Literally a laugh a minute!

Whether or not we live in a democracy, we'll be moving the institutions that govern our lives closer to us. Anything that reduces the distance between our vote and the powers that our vote elects is good in my book.

Exactly my point sahknowme :) Said much better than I have managed.

Moussemousse

The EU Commission - the EU’s executive body are NOT elected and under the provision of the EU Treaty the Commission has the sole right to propose EU legislation, which if passed can then be binding on all the EU states. British voters were also not able to vote for Juncker as we had left the EEP.

Check it out.

Walkingdeadfangirl

That's sovereignty you are talking about not democracy.

We have ceded some sovereignty to the EU.

However, we will cede some sovereignty to the WTO if we crash out and that really is an undemocratic institution.

We cede sovereignty to NATO, the ECHR, the UN and various other organisations it is inevitable in a global economy.

The days when the U.K. parliament made all the decisions pertaining to the U.K. are long gone. Total sovereignty went during WW2 and hasn't returned. It is a fiction that we can retain sovereignty, like an old man wishing for his lost youth.

The choice is not if we cede sovereignty but who to? In my opinion the democratic EU is better than the unelected and undemocratic WTO.

Anything that reduces the distance between our vote and the powers that our vote elects is good in my book

When you discover the internet, you are going to lose your mind. Seriously though, why not go back to fiefdoms with that logic? The EU has placed funding into areas of the UK that the Tories would have never agreed to. I'm not sure moving to a parochial system that just suits the people as voted in is necessarily going to be better.

Walkingdeadfangirl and sahknowme you are making excellent points related to Scottish Independence! I’ll tweet Nicola and point her in your direction

@Freud2 of course they are not elected The Commission performs the civil service function. We do not elect the civil service in the U.K.

The Commission is the only body allowed to propose legislation to restrict the power and scope of the European Parliament.

The head of the Commission is nominated by the Council and elected by the parliament. Significantly more democratic than the appointment of Mark Sedwill.

I know there are remainers among boomers but i feel like milennials have been hung out to dry

No, the millennial's have decided politics is a purity contest and fallen for the rhetoric of leave being right wing, neolibarlism being the devil and yet still champion a life long traditionally left wing eurosceptic as thier saviour.

They haven't been sod a pup, they are knee deep into IDPOL that it requires mental gymnastics to support their views.

Sorry Op, I can’t see any positives as I can’t see anything in the proposed deal (or no deal) that will improve something in the UK that actually needed improving.

I suppose that once we actually leave, this shambles will at least be over - but at the moment, that looks like the relief of having a bad tooth pulled out, only to find out how much a dental implant costs.

sahknowme moving decisions closer to the people is a function of federalism.

The EU is committed to federalism and subsidiarity. EU commitment to local decision making is considerably more rigorous than that of U.K. governments.

Seriously, can’t we invoke an IQ benchmark for the right to vote. What a bloody joke. I’m being dictated to by Mr Dun and Mrs Daily Fail

Seriously? I think you probably are being serious.

The choice is not if we cede sovereignty but who to? In my opinion the democratic EU is better than the unelected and undemocratic WTO

And that's your preference but its not mine. We cede some sovereignty to some international bodies yes, but its a small amount. The EU started in the same way unfortunately it is now TAKING more and more sovereignty from us, which is not the same as the UN or NATO. The balance has tipped and it has now no longer acceptable to most voters.

The whole goal of the EU is to become closer and closer until it is one superstate. That is why it is better in the long term for the UK to not be part of that.

And how I'm looking forward to no longer adhering to the human rights act! I mean, why would I, as a human being, expect to have rights?

And people pretend it's only the right wing who read headlines, anyone repeating this is only reading the Indepandent, Guardian or some obscure partisan blog (you may come back with the totally non partisan rights info)

Anyone still repeating this line as in any kind of authority can be brushed aside as

They might repeal the European human rights act and replacing it with our own is by default bad and it's probably because the Tories want to kill poors and foxes lol

Remember it's only brexiteers who want to play devide and conquer.

Desperately trying to think here:

David Cameron resigned.

Some people may hope that less EU immigration means more Commonwealth immigration because depend on immigrants in NHS etc

Rich people like JRM can become richer by moving their businesses overseas.

Less cars on the road because of fuel shortages and unemployment (?)

The EU wishes to be a federal state:organisation (Not as simple as that really).

Federalism does not mean centralised power. It means the power that has to be central is but most decisions and most power is decentralised. The majority of decisions are taken locally, in EU speak this is subsidiarity.

Central decisions should be limited and judicial oversight should control them. Most decisions should be local. That is what is meant by federalism despite what the DM says.

When I talk to leavers this is what they say they want 'decentralised power' but then they are appalled to find they are federalists.

You would cede power to a totally non elected body rather than an institution that is democratic and with judicial oversight? Wow.

More jobs at the Job Centre, security and building prisons

@showmeshoyu
How about we take your reductio ad absurdum argument the other way - why don't we just live in a world where there's a single world government with everyone on the planet electing a divine dictator?

Quoting Tony Benn's 5 questions:

“What power have you got?”
“Where did you get it from?”
“In whose interests do you use it?”
“To whom are you accountable?”
“How do we get rid of you?”

Central decisions should be limited and judicial oversight should control them.

With a large oversight of monetary policy which impacts on local decision making, you only have to see labour supporters saying on here that labour councils going down the pan is the problem of the centralised Tory government.

If you think the EU does not want more centralised monetary control then maybe take it up with Spain, Greece, Italy and now France under Macron. It is one step removed and you are downplaying the federalisation dream somewhat.

More jobs for accounts and lawyers who specialize in bankruptcy
More work for lawyers at the department of trade (I'm assuming that they are the ones who can apparently negotiate better trading deals than the EU )

Seriously, can’t we invoke an IQ benchmark for the right to vote. What a bloody joke. I’m being dictated to by Mr Dun and Mrs Daily Fail

Yeah, lets introduce Jim Crow laws, instead sod that lets go full on fascist!

I will almost guarantee you will fail the test as well, anyone even hinting this is not as intelligent as they think they are, or have a nuanced view of politics, I can't believe open fascists are posting on MN now.

Even the Daily Mail have calmed down since the referendum and thinks that No Deal should be off the table.

While the EU does talk about federalism, the practice has been of more and more centrally defined directives.

I'm not necessarily pro-Brexit or pro-Remain. I believe that either way, if we had a competent government, we could make a success of either. Alas, we don't have a competent government, so we probably won't make a success of it. But I have more of a chance of voting out this government, than I do of voting out Juncker.

MousseMousse

appointed court the U.K. Supreme Court is appointed.

Indeed it is. But it is subordinate to the will of Parliament under the principle of Parliamentary supremacy. In other words, if Parliament, consisting of the elected representatives of the people, does not like what the Supreme Court has decided, Parliament can simply change the law. This regularly happens. On the other hand, the CJEU is the final arbiter of the meaning of the Treaties and its decisions are effectively unchangeable.

sink for other countries' unemployed EU immigrants are net contributors to the U.K.

The figures are controversial. They show that EU immigrants on average pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits, but others say the calculations are wrong. These figures do not look at anything that is only indirectly or not monetary, such as increased pressure on infrastructure or depressing pay.

I too am getting bored as I have also done this too many times. But as others have commented, the OP asked for some positives, so I gave some.

Didn't daily mail get a new editor which is why the tone has changed slightly?