AIBU to request a positive thread on Brexit?

[mobyduck]

Everyone here (nearly) says it will be bad.
Let's hear some positives about our coming freedom from the EU!

The WA isn't a Brexit at all. It's just a list of discussion points.

All that money being wasted on the EU ploughed back into the NHS
I just looked at my tax summary for 2016-17. A mere £44 of my tax went to the EU, compared to the £360 that went to pay the interest on the UK's national debt.
I am very happy to pay £44 a year to have freedom of movement and a stable economy.

Can someone possibly tell me how we vote for our MEP's? Ashamed to say I know we have about 6 of them per county (I think) but no idea how we would go about electing them?

We have elections every five years - the last one was in May 2014.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_European_Parliament_election_in_the_United_Kingdom
The election had a turnout of 36% and UKIP won most of the seats.

I have 3 (!)
Politics are REALLY interesting right now. You can't deny that. Many more people are engaged with politics than usual.

More spaces being created at medical schools, due to recognition UK has to train more of its own doctors. Some UK resident kids will benefit.

Brexit preps have snarled up the civil service so bad that scientists who have govt grants are getting very minimal scrutiny on deliverables. They can produce utter shite & live safe in the knowledge they won't be held accountable.... or maybe that's a bad thing. Depends.

Well personally I'm looking forward to a nice long holiday in my local mental hospital when I can't get my anti psychotics & anti depressants.

It's right near the beach!

So leaving the EU will kind of boost local tourism?

The election had a turnout of 36% and UKIP won most of the seats

People so passionate and critical about the EU....but never vote?

My dad votex Brexit...it has affected the way i view him...and sadly his generation. I know there are remainers among boomers but i feel like milennials have been hung out to dry.

Titsbum, I'm sorry to say that Farage, far from buggering off, plans to rekindle his past in the form of a new party scrabbled from disillusioned Tory and Labour voters.

I am very happy to pay £44 a year to have freedom of movement and a stable economy.

Unless you are going to go through an enormous amount of mental gymnastics, you do realise that paying down the national debt is important for a stable economy. (Unless you're a labout supporter and Economics is a right wing issue during a GE)

You have chosen a somehwhat half hearted neloberal stance in your argument

Hopefully it will result in a shake-up of British politics. The quality of our MPs and leaders has not been great for a while, and they won't be able to get by blaming the EU for everything anymore. House prices should take a hit (good for anyone up sizing or buying their first property, bad for downsizers and anyone with a high mortgage). The pound was over 20% overvalued before brexit, so exporting should improve. Food from outside the EU could potentially get cheaper depending on what the government does about their import tariff rate card. Corporation tax might get cut further which is good news for businesses (including contractors and self-employed who run a limited company). We'll probably be buying more Japanese cars and fewer German cars depending on import tariffs. But then I think we should set import tariffs to zero for a fixed period of 5 years. I hope for a change to tax credits done in a way that moves the burden of paying people a reasonable wage to the companies employing them.

Going to be pretty rocky for a while though. And we'll be losing out on a lot of benefits we have at the moment.

Scotland has 6 MEPs thankfully only one is UKIP

I know there are remainers among boomers but i feel like milennials have been hung out to dry

I'm just slightly younger than a Booker. Voted Remain and you're right

Boomer, not Booker!

I don't have anything remotely positive to say about Brexit.

malificent Not all us older voter are responsible for the mess we're in.

I voted to remain, as I said in my pp I'm 70 years old, I know a 90 year old who voted remain and two people one in their 30s the other in their 40s who voted leave.

The EU is demonstrably democratic
You can define democracy any way you like, "a vote took place somewhere about something therefore its democracy"

In this case many people would disagree with your definition of the word democracy, you do not get to be the god of what words means. Many leavers do not agree that the EU is democratic and they are entitled to their opinions. Which it seems is the opinion of the voting majority.

So if it sounds like a duck and quacks like a duck, many people will call it a duck, you can call it whatever you want.

you were meant to be voting on the best outcome for the whole of the UK Yip I did. Unfortunately remainers only seem to be interested in what is best for them in the short term.

The difference there is that you liking apples makes not one jot of difference to me Unfortunately if you want oranges you will have to leave the UK, as we will only be selling apples here after March ;)

Bunnyfuller

This is the umpteenth time I have posted this in various forms both here and elsewhere. Positive benefits from leaving the EU include:

The replacement as ultimate legal and political authority of an appointed court with an integrationist agenda by an elected assembly which must submit itself to re-election at least every five years -- see for example the British and Polish Protocol to the Lisbon Treaty as something recent and close to home

An end to being the sink for other countries' unemployed, with the consequent effects on the housing market and public infrastructure

An end to net contribution

An end to being subject to the Franco-German hegemonic system

An end to the imposition of legislation which does not have any real political support within the UK

The need to train and pay our own people properly.

Disapplication of the Common Fisheries and Common Agricultural policies

Being required to operate freedom of movement of people and goods, when we were denied the right to free movement of services and capital, when these were required by the treaties but ignored by France and Germany since they benefited from the first two while we would have benefited from the second two.

I accept that there is going to be some short-term economic pain. But I firmly believe that that will be as a result of a quick transition, and that in the longer term this country is better placed outside the EU than in it. Events have clearly demonstrated that the EU is not capable of being reformed in a way which removes the substantial disadvantage that this country has operated under when compared to its nearest peers in the EU.

Has anyone said bendy bananas yet? Or was it straight bananas? 🤔

Walkingdeadfangirl

The EU has the structures required to be classed as a liberal democracy.

It has an executive function - The Council
It has a legislative function - The Parliament
It has a judicial function - the ECJ

It also has a civil service The Commission.

As is common 2 of these functions are elected and the judiciary and civil service aren't.

The ECJ provides judicial oversight to the system.

These are the basic democratic structures. I don't get to be a 'god' but every modern political scientist or constitutional expert would class this as democratic. This is not a matter of opinion it is matter of fact.

To deny the democracy moves you into flat earth territory. To deny the democracy is to say you do not understand the difference between fact and opinion.

To deny these facts is - to use analogy - to deny ducks even quack.

Oh wait! I know... if lots of people die, there will be more of everything for the rest of us. Thanos logic.

As other posters have already said, as the cheap labour tap of freedom of movement is turned off, wages will rise (this is already happening) and rents will fall (this is already happening.also). This is a huge benefit.

Prepare for Big Mac in Maccies being £6 instead of £3 and carers £30 per hour etc.
Rising wages mean rising prices and I absolutely agree with PP who said that the wages are low because consumers want the best quality but want it for peanuts.

I agree wages should rise, but them being low hasn't had much to do with freedom of movement but rather with the fact that people want fresh local beef burger served by well paid chef, but god forbid they would have to pay over a tenner. 🤷‍♀️

Vermin population considerably down due to them being repurposed as a foodstuff.

Foreigners, commies, scroungers and people on a mobile phone tariff you don't care for get out.

A new national lottery where the jackpot is a week's supply of real beans.

All media other than red tops, Dave and UK Gold banned.

No noisy students around (or students at all).

Fewer businesses dodging tax as they will all have moved abroad or we will have eaten the members of the board.

Oh and straight bananas etc.

Definitely straight croissants twatty.

I like your Thanos logic!

TalbotAMan

appointed court the U.K. Supreme Court is appointed.

sink for other countries' unemployed EU immigrants are net contributors to the U.K.

An end to the imposition of legislation which does not have any real political support within the UK 96% of EU legislation is ....

You know I'm bored I've done this before. These arguments have been pulled down so many times.

Can someone else explain the obvious?

Moussemoose I am not denying what you are saying re your definition of EU 'democracy'. I do not represent all leavers but am using the word to mean something slightly different than your definition. Maybe we should make a new word up to avoid confusion, perhaps you could help?

There are people who are not British, do not live in the UK, were not elected in the UK, are not accountable in the UK, are not acting solely in the UK's best interests, or do not sit in a UK Parliament, deciding on a lot of laws/rules & regulations that are imposed on the UK. I do not believe that is democratic (insert new word here) for the UK.