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Michael Jackson and the new documentary

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joystir59 · 27/01/2019 12:08

Leaving Neverland, being shown at the Sundance film festival and in the spring on Channel 4....I love his music and have believed he was vilified by the racist media, and by greedy individuals and families after his money; but am really not so sure of his innocence any more. I guess that's my aibu- that we have to listen to his accusers don't we? I was sexually abused as a ternager, and not believed. It was a profoundly damaging experience.

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Vixxxy · 12/03/2019 12:55

That mirror video..had not seen that before. Don't know what on earth to make of that, the giggling and that on such a serious subject is just vile.

BridlingtonSand · 12/03/2019 20:05

Well the posting really changed on here since the documentary aired!

MillyMollyMandie · 19/04/2019 17:41

Came across this outside my hotel in Munich today. All four sides of the statue are covered in tributes. At first I thought it was nice decoration for Easter till I put my glasses on

Michael Jackson and the new documentary
Michael Jackson and the new documentary
Michael Jackson and the new documentary
ccmrob12 · 16/08/2019 10:09

Do you have any links or reference to back up your claim mrwalkensir? Finding someone not guilty because they thought it was someone else’s fault? Haha. Do you think it would work if I shot someone and was found not guilty because someone else gave me the gun?

Shooturlocalmethdealer · 16/08/2019 15:08

The documentary is disturbing. Very detailed. I 100% believe the victims and am sure there are plenty more victims that are silent sadly. Do enough digging online and you will find out very odd things that were found in MJs home
I change the radio station whenever his music is played now. Turns my stomach to listen to it.

IfIShouldFallFromGraceWithGod · 30/08/2019 18:44

I believe it because I thought he was a paedophile before the documentary
He was seriously disturbed. All the adoration he demanded, crotch grabbing and the silly little voice
The MB interview was disturbing and friends who had previously been vocal about his innocence changed their minds after that interview
His actions fit with grooming. I feel sorry for the families who were also groomed

TheJellyBabyMadeMeDoIt · 30/08/2019 18:51

He was a paedophile.

Anyone saying otherwise is seriously deluded.

Idonkt · 30/08/2019 18:55

If you watch the documentary or read the above article you will clearly see the lies and inconsistencies that were told by Robson and Safechuck and were successfully proven to be lies

TheJellyBabyMadeMeDoIt · 30/08/2019 18:58

I watched the documentary and I read the link. It proves nothing.

He abused young boys.

Idonkt · 30/08/2019 18:59

How does it prove nothing lol, the proof is there in black and white

TheJellyBabyMadeMeDoIt · 30/08/2019 19:01

He was a predatory paedophile.

TheJellyBabyMadeMeDoIt · 30/08/2019 19:02

Anyway, I have better things to do that argue with an MJ superfan/paedophile sympathist.

Ttfn.

Idonkt · 30/08/2019 19:02

In a sworn declaration made as part of his multi-million dollar lawsuit against Jackson’s Estate and companies, Safechuck explicitly states, under the penalty of perjury, that he was sexually abused by the King of Pop between 1988 and 1992. Never before 1988, and never again after 1992. In Leaving Neverland, Safechuck claims that during the early stages of this alleged abuse period he and Jackson had sex “every day” in an upstairs room at the train station. “It’s kind of like when you’re first dating somebody and you do a lot of it,” says Safechuck with a laugh in Leaving Neverland.

But recently published documents have blown Safechuck’s allegation of daily sex in the train station to smithereens. Permits granted by the Santa Barbara County prove that construction of the train station was not approved by the local authorities until September of 1993 – four years after Safechuck alleges he was abused “every day” in it.
In an embarrassing brain fade, director Dan Reed made the ridiculous insinuation via Twitter that Jackson could have built the train station years before he received the Santa Barbara County’s permission to do so, making Safechuck’s allegation of daily sex in the station possible.

ccmrob12 · 30/08/2019 19:04

You clearly have no idea what a paedophile apologist is, stop being a sheep.

Idonkt · 30/08/2019 19:05

Since making his abuse allegations in 2014, Safechuck has consistently claimed that the alleged abuse ended in 1992, at the age of 14. Safechuck says that this is because beyond 1992 he had become too big and too old to satisfy Jackson’s alleged pedophilic interest in prepubescent boys. Safechuck even claims in legal documents, and in Leaving Neverland, that in 1992 another boy, Brett Barnes, replaced him, insinuating that Barnes went on to become the singer’s next victim after Jackson lost interest in Safechuck. But Barnes, who was not given the right of reply by director Dan Reed, took to social media to refute the insinuation.

“Not only do we have to deal with these lies, but we’ve also got to deal with people perpetuating these lies,” said Barnes via Twitter. “The fact that they fail to do the small amount of research it takes to prove these are lies, by choice or not, makes it even worse.”

Barnes also engaged an attorney to demand that HBO remove his image and likeness from Leaving Neverland, and even threatened to sue them for allowing such a salacious suggestion to be included in the film.

But wait, there’s more!

While we are still on the subject of James Safechuck and his inability to tell the truth, let’s take a look at another of the highly contentious elements of his constantly changing story – when and how he claims to have realised he was allegedly abused, and how and why it affects both the narrative of Leaving Neverland and the validity of his multi-million dollar lawsuit against Jackson’s Estate and companies.

In his sworn declaration, Safechuck claims that in 2005 he told his mother, Stephanie Safechuck, that Jackson had abused him. This narrative is somewhat supported by a scene in the Leaving Neverland film where Stephanie claims that she ‘danced’ when she learned that Jackson had died on June 25, 2009. “I was so happy he died,” she says, adding that her thoughts were: “Thank god, he can’t hurt any more children.” However, in another document, Safechuck abandons the claim that he told his mother he was abused, instead stating that he only told her Jackson was “not a good person,” without providing any explanation or context. This is the version of events that Safechuck himself goes with in Leaving Neverland.

Since the film’s release, director Dan Reed has taken it upon himself to speak on behalf of Safechuck and Robson in media interviews to promote it.

By his own admission, Reed knows next to nothing about Michael Jackson. And despite making a film about their subject matter, Reed clearly hasn’t properly studied the sworn declarations that form part of Robson and Safechuck’s lawsuits against Jackson’s Estate—he didn’t even mention the lawsuits in his film—and cannot talk about their claims without undermining or contradicting them.

In the very same declaration that Safechuck swears he told his mother about the alleged abuse in 2005, he contradicts himself by also swearing that it wasn’t until 2013—when he saw Wade Robson discussing his alleged abuse in a televised interview—that he first realised he was abused. Further contradiction arises when Safechuck claims that it wasn’t until he had the “help of a therapist” that he was “finally able to begin to recognise that he was a victim of childhood sexual abuse.”

That’s three versions of one story! In carefully written legal filings! Sworn under the penalty of perjury! Safechuck and his lawyers just cannot seem to get their story straight.

Just some facts

IfIShouldFallFromGraceWithGod · 30/08/2019 21:12

I have a very poor memory of time and time lines
I find it hard to pin down the time something in the past happened. They were children
Even without their testimonies I don't know how anyone could look at MJ and not see a paedophile
He admitted to having boys sleeping in his bed fgs and he, this poor innocent man child, had porn in the room too
Anyone who can't see him for what he is is deluded

TheJellyBabyMadeMeDoIt · 30/08/2019 23:25

Exactly. Take the 2 men out of the equation .... Still a filthy paedophile.

Anyone going out of their way to repeatedly try and prove he's innocent, in the face of so many first hand accounts, is a paedophile sympathiser. There's no other justification.

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