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Michael Jackson and the new documentary

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joystir59 · 27/01/2019 12:08

Leaving Neverland, being shown at the Sundance film festival and in the spring on Channel 4....I love his music and have believed he was vilified by the racist media, and by greedy individuals and families after his money; but am really not so sure of his innocence any more. I guess that's my aibu- that we have to listen to his accusers don't we? I was sexually abused as a ternager, and not believed. It was a profoundly damaging experience.

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Rainbunny · 27/01/2019 14:59

Tellem2 - please read the article I linked to and tell me if you can still convince yourself that he is completely innocent?

Cornettoninja · 27/01/2019 15:00

Jordan Chandler isn’t dead. Evan Chandler, his father, committed suicide. He also had chronic pain caused by a illness amongst other issues. It’s a massive assumption to say anyone has committed suicide because of MJ.

trumpdump · 27/01/2019 15:02

It says that he would have mock weddings with these boys Sad

Newsername · 27/01/2019 15:02

I’ve read bits about the documentary. I feel conflicted.
My kids love MJ’s songs.
There’s been some twitter arguments between MJ’s nephew and other people with the nephew claiming that one of the men helped MJ’s case or something in the past and is only making money now. Macaulay culkin is also denying anything bad. I haven’t read into it, but what’s being said is truly horrifying and I feel very sad for the boys/men involved.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 27/01/2019 15:04

Corey Feldman has also said Michael did nothing to him too.

SmallButFierce · 27/01/2019 15:07

He was quite obviously a deeply disturbed individual and after watching Martin Bashir’s MJ documentary back in 2003 I’ve had no doubts in mind that he was a child abuser. He got away with it because of who he was.

WantRapunzelLocks · 27/01/2019 15:07

Perhaps they havnt been paid for the documentary but guaranteed they will be paid in other ways.

This obviously doesn't mean what they are saying isn't true. But to say they have nothing to gain is ridiculous.

MrsChollySawcutt · 27/01/2019 15:09

I have long held the belief that MJ was a paedophile and that the truth of this is known by many people.

He was also undoubtedly a musical prodigy, incredibly talented and gifted. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

Brilliant and talented people are just as capable of committing heinous crimes as anyone else. Multi-millionaires with an army of people riding of the coat tails of their success arguably have a fairly unique opportunity to do as they please with willing sycophants to make excuses and cover their tracks for them.

I think MJ is another classic example of evil hiding in plain sight.

MargotLovedTom1 · 27/01/2019 15:10

How can anyone defend that man?
What possible legitimate reason could he have had for striking up "friendships" with boys under 10?
He had an arrested development? He loved the innocence of children? He was just so child-like himself?
What a load of big hairy bollocks. He was a blatant peadophile and his music was mostly shit too.

7salmonswimming · 27/01/2019 15:10

It’s really something that people experience a moral quandry weighing up listening to pop songs against children being sexually abused.

Sparklesocks · 27/01/2019 15:11

I believe he abused them. He gave families large sums of money in settlements and bought their silence.
I also can’t believe any parent would allow their kid to stay alone overnight in a hotel room with a grown man they weren’t related to. Amazing how fame blinded them.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 27/01/2019 15:11

I've always thought he was guilty since back in the day when the talk started and through the original court case.

He obviously really "liked" young boys. He was an adult man.

Anyone else saying hello little boy come to my house I've got awesome stuff and let's go to bed would not be given any benefit of the doubt.

He had the money to pay people off big time, and probably ruin their lives as well if they didn't play ball. And STILL there were accusations and continue to be.

MargotLovedTom1 · 27/01/2019 15:12

Paedophile

Cornettoninja · 27/01/2019 15:13

Corey Feldman

Unfortunately, because of his reluctance to name anyone in the abuse he alleges he experienced (and I believe him throughly) I wouldn’t be inclined to treat that as evidence for MJ’s guilt. He’s made it abundantly clear he won’t name names because he is fearful of the consequences, therefore he is highly unlikely to be honest when questioned directly on the subject.

MargotLovedTom1 · 27/01/2019 15:13

Correcting my early spelling, not just randomly posting 'paedophile' on the thread!

InSightMars · 27/01/2019 15:14

The families may have gone after him for money but that doesn’t mean these things didn’t happen, let’s face it the families effectively sold their kids to the sick, perverted creep in the first place, turned a blind eye to what their kids were probably telling them about sleeping in his bed until they saw how to turn a fast buck from it.

Not the kids’ faullt they were victimized by both the predator and their own families. How much say does anyone think they actually had when their families were bought off? How much familial pressure was brought to bear on them to say they lied? And now they are adults they can’t speak out because they’re accused of lying about lying. Poor bastards have been sold down the river again and again by an industry brand determined not to have anything compromise the saintly image of their money machine.

It doesn’t matter he was (arguably) a musical genius he was a fucking paedophile, none of this is news, he was no better than Gary Glitter or Jimmy Savile.

Cornettoninja · 27/01/2019 15:14

*sorry MJ’s innocence

Sadiesnakes · 27/01/2019 15:24

Jordan Chandler isn’t dead. Evan Chandler, his father, committed suicide. He also had chronic pain caused by a illness amongst other issues. It’s a massive assumption to say anyone has committed suicide because of MJ.

I think it's a massive assumption to believe this man didn't commit suicide because of Michael Jackson. I know if I was responsible for letting my son be abused time and again and that person got away with it, Suicide would probably be something I'd at least consider seriously given the extreme guilt I'd feel.

MargotLovedTom1 · 27/01/2019 15:25

"The amount of footage of Jackson walking hand-in-hand with a carousel of young boys through the years is shocking." From The Daily Beast.
And people are really willing to believe it was ALL entirely innocent? Beggars belief.

DobbyTheHouseElk · 27/01/2019 15:25

I’m not a fan of his music and I think he is guilty. But part of me is still unsure of his motives. I think he did want to be the boy who didn’t grow up. I think he had been abused as a child and apparently had no childhood. I think he was a mentally unstable adult who preferred to pretend he was a child.

DistanceCall · 27/01/2019 15:29

From what I've read, the documentary is very well done, not sensationalist crap.

So yes, I think you should see it and listen to what the accusers have to say. And then make up your own mind.

Sadiesnakes · 27/01/2019 15:30

It’s really something that people experience a moral quandry weighing up listening to pop songs against children being sexually abused.

*This.

MargotLovedTom1 · 27/01/2019 15:32

Read the articles and about the sexual abuse he (allegedly Hmm) inflicted on those boys, including receiving oral sex from a 7 year old. Is that pretending to be a child? For someone who didn't want to grow up, he sure wanted to do some grown up things.

DobbyTheHouseElk · 27/01/2019 15:38

Oh I don’t doubt the abuse. As I said I wasn’t a fan. He always gave me the creeps. However I think he was a damaged person, it’s not excusing him. But I think he was complex and surrounded by enablers.

MargotLovedTom1 · 27/01/2019 15:41

I think he was a calculating paedophile, not a vulnerable man-child.