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Michael Jackson and the new documentary

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joystir59 · 27/01/2019 12:08

Leaving Neverland, being shown at the Sundance film festival and in the spring on Channel 4....I love his music and have believed he was vilified by the racist media, and by greedy individuals and families after his money; but am really not so sure of his innocence any more. I guess that's my aibu- that we have to listen to his accusers don't we? I was sexually abused as a ternager, and not believed. It was a profoundly damaging experience.

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Burpsandfustles · 28/01/2019 18:20

The problem with Johnny Depp I have is that it seems to have been a one off. Now before anyone jumps down my throat I'm not excusing him, I have had dv in my family!!

The perp was violent with all his gf!! Each and everyone...

I also have someone else in the family who has wound people up, people I know to be calm, kind people and they have needled and prodded and gone on for a response.

Depp doesn't seem to have a history of d and v.
One hopes the awful way he treated ah was the last time he ever abuses any woman.

Mj however is a serial pre mediated abuser... Who did it for years.

I don't defend jd but I don't feel on the evidence that he is intrinsically a constantly violent man.

Vanessa paradise was with him for decade and said no violence no other women came out with it.

brizzledrizzle · 28/01/2019 18:21

Apropos of nothing, DS asked when MJ died so I looked it up - how has it been 10 years already?!

Burpsandfustles · 28/01/2019 18:24

Omg polly!!

Yes it is abhorrent!
I have family friend, I've known him 20 years, no one speaks badly of him, he's the kindest person I know who was a rock through many awful times in my life and is now close to my dc.

If he ever ever tried to get into my dc bed it would be game over!

User758172 · 28/01/2019 18:25

@Andromeida59

I understand what you’re saying about the power of celebrity, but why then did others distrust him? My older brothers were fans, and begged and pleaded to meet him, but my dad was still uncomfortable with it. He hardly knew him, only met him in a professional capacity, but he was disturbed enough by what he had heard that he distrusted him, even back in the day.

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joystir59 · 28/01/2019 18:31

@Andromeida59 your dad knew MJ- and was distrustful- there must have been rumours then

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User758172 · 28/01/2019 18:35

What I’m trying to say is, even in the 1980’s, people knew about these rumours. My dad didn’t leave us alone with him. I can’t really understand why other parents did.

anitagreen · 28/01/2019 18:37

Reading everything here I was always under the impression that because he lost out on his childhood he wanted to recreate his childhood for the rest of his adult years,
I didn't really know much about sharing beds or even read up about it, but now I've read everything I have I think he was a dirty nonce case who happened to get away with all this. Confused

DaffydownClock · 28/01/2019 18:41

I have thought MJ a predatory and calculating paedophile for many years, carefully cultivating those unlikely to call him out, bribing with money and gifts those who would be flattered perhaps initially by being a 'friend' of a superstar.
I suspect much more will come to light as a result of this documentary.

frankiesamson · 28/01/2019 18:47

@derigeurmortis if it's not appropriate behaviour then how do u explain allowing kids sleepovers with other kids?

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joystir59 · 28/01/2019 18:50

kids having sleepovers with kids on an equal footing is very different from a grown man sleeping with a prepubescent boy repeatedly.

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frankiesamson · 28/01/2019 18:50

@daffydowncock the problem is u can't assume guilt without a little something called proof.

Just because MJ was different to u doesn't make him automatically a bad person. It's possible for different or unique people to be perfectly innocent , perhaps more so than most of society

frankiesamson · 28/01/2019 18:52

@anitagreen so in other words ur quick to judge

MrsFassy · 28/01/2019 18:53

@frankiesamson

Are you honestly saying you can't see the difference between two 7 year olds topping and tailing during a sleepover and a fully grown adult male sharing his bed, repeatedly, with various boys as young as 7?

EnoughSnowAlready · 28/01/2019 18:53

How the hell can you compare similarly aged children having a sleepover to a seven year old sharing a bed with a grown man? WTAF?

I've always thought that the only people more batshit than MJ were his most ardent fans. This thread proves it

HowlsMovingBungalow · 28/01/2019 18:55

Some batshit 'ideas' on this thread.

I won't listen to anyone who compares coffee drinkers to a full blown addict who paid a doctor to medicate him 24/7.

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joystir59 · 28/01/2019 18:57

I was sexually abused in the 70s, and eventually went to the police after Saville all came out. The police interviewed me on video- an in depth detailed interview that went on for several hours. Without any proof or evidence they still believed me and they arrested my abuser who is now on the sex offenders register. It would be hard to lie convincingly under such interview circumstances. W e have to listen to MJ's accusers.

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Want2bSupermum · 28/01/2019 19:00

burp Depp has a long history of DV. Kate Moss and Winona Ryder had relationships with him that were 'off'. KM was smart and got the hell away from him.

Burpsandfustles · 28/01/2019 19:00

Agree op, isn't what these men say they endured enough, and it's not even one man it's many.

DeRigueurMortis · 28/01/2019 19:01

Frankie that argument demonstrates nothing less than a very profound lack of understanding of the issues at hand and basic child safeguards.

As per my pp wrt to these sleepovers "Even if nothing sexual occurred then it was still damaging in the sense it would have impacted these children's perception of appropriate adult behaviour and the nature of "friendship", thus leaving them vulnerable."

FromEden · 28/01/2019 19:01

The people desperately trying to mj in a positive light are disturbing and coming across as obsessive fans. "Wonderful humanitarian" etc. Puke. I hope they aren't responsible for any children if they think that sort of behaviour is in anyway appropriate!

anitagreen · 28/01/2019 19:01

@frankiesamson no I'm not quick to judge at all I had no interest before growing up to educate myself on this man and what he has done, now I have done this so far what I have read and realised is absolutely vile.

anitagreen · 28/01/2019 19:03

It's quite scary reading posts from people who have no issues with a 27 and so on man sharing a bed with a 7 year old boy, with his pants left at the side of the bed as seen by his cleaner who went against him at court. really shocking

Burpsandfustles · 28/01/2019 19:06

Exactly de rigour.

HowlsMovingBungalow · 28/01/2019 19:06

This link charts all MJ's 'friendships' with small boys.

mjandboys.wordpress.com

pollysproggle · 28/01/2019 19:23

@FromEden
The people desperately trying to mj in a positive light are disturbing and coming across as obsessive fans. "Wonderful humanitarian" etc. Puke. I hope they aren't responsible for any children if they think that sort of behaviour is in anyway appropriate!

Really?
You come up with a few quick witted sentences and case closed? everyone that disagrees with you is a desperate fan who shouldn't be responsible for children?
Hmm..How about you tell me why you know he wasn't a wonderful humanitarian and why you know he's guilty and show me what you proof you have?