To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

[KennDodd]

And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

Nicholas22 - the EU is one of our closest neighbours... leaving without a deal is like cutting off an arm. If course you survive but everything is just that bit more difficult.
And no, the EU does not care about the UK as much as the UK soon doctors have us believe.
And most other counties are tied into trade deals with the EU.... so Britain can join the back of the que!

Nicholas22... brain cells... okay .
zsazsa is quite correct about us not being dictated to by the EU, but while we are/ were in it, we are the EU. Which might be one reason for some of its neoliberal tendencies. I think the EU will be stronger and more focused without Britain, one less troublemaker to deal with.

Nicholas - sorry but if you do have a degree in economics, your university should hang their head in shame! Your post makes no sense at all. Membership of the EU has been of enormous economic benefit to the UK. It’s one of the few things economists are pretty much agreed on.

Justanotherlurker whether remainers are intelligent, thick or in the middle is not the relevant issue. Remainers are not the ones pushing a suicidally risky option without the faintest clue of the likely consequences. If the No Dealers had the faintest clue, they would not be advocating it.

Not a single one of them has been able to answer in detail how a No Deal will play out, despite me and others on the thread asking several times.

Nicholas
When I make decisions, I don't think of you. In my head, my responsibility is to the workers of this country possibly doing 2 jobs at minimum wage and any increases in food prices will directly effect weekly budgets.
You may feel you have more brain cells than all of us, good on you.

I am so sad for this country.
Shit politicians are leading the country up shit creek

I expect the MP’s will vote for a second referendum and there will be a majority to remain and the whole horrendous thing will get called off.

It's a nice wish, but there is a reason why its a shit show, if it was going to be called off it would have been done so by now

What is Nn deal?

I was idealistic once.

Nicholas care to spell out in detail what you thought you voted for?

Just a high level outline will do, e.g. likely impact on GDP over the next 50 years, plus a breakdown of impacts on each major industry, jobs, the NHS, welfare state etc would do. Ta.

Totally agree, leavers are being stereotyped as thick and racist couldn't be further from the truth.. we are hard working individuals who believe in democracy and want what is best for the country not some idealistic view from know it alls that trash our opinion and do not listen to the majority. And we are the majority!!!!!!!

Beyond the economics, Dyson quitting UK irony of ironies, food and medicine shortages,increased level of security threats, civil service backlog of all time- I am horrified by the lack of regard many leavers show for Northern Ireland /island of Ireland after EU confirm no deal will mean hard border. They just really don’t give a shit?! Despicable.

I think a lot of the trump/brexit nonsense has come about because we are not calling out stupid when we should. Not all opinions are informed and not all information has equal value. We should be listening to experts and ignoring idiots who just don’t know what they’re talking about.

i HAVE a degree in Economics, the trade deal benefits the EU not UK

^Proper made me laugh out loud

The saddest thing is that I can ride out the storm.
Many won't be able to.

Nicholas22
What we want is to trade with who we want, not have to pay levy's to be in a group, to think on our own and have an identity.
Which countries is the UK currently unable to trade with?

YABU, some people have a very good idea what it means. They are people who will profit from the economic and social disaster that will result.

The majority of Leave voters, however, clearly don’t know what it means. Reading any Brexit discussion, anywhere, makes it horrifyingly obvious how deficient in knowledge and understanding the vast, vast majority of Leavers are.

I can only assume that the reason they don’t seem to understand this themselves is down to the Dunning-Kruger effect. I am not happy to be driven to this conclusion but there we are.

You haven’t said anything reasoned or informed yet Nicholas. You don’t want people to think you’re stupid- don’t say stupid things. And what on earth does it have to do with democracy?

Certainly not saying stupid things Zsazsajuju

we can negotiate our own trade deals going forward.

And the good news is based on recent evidence it should only take a few hundred years. Yay!

People are not reading what it happening. No one is going to allow a no deal as it would result in a hard border in Ireland and breach the GFA.

@Tolleshunt

You could easily find the detailed answers you claim to want online, if you cared to look, although no one can predict exactly what will happen.

The whole ‘spell it out for me in perfect detail’ is so old. What’s the point of engaging with people who say ‘Remain till I die!’ - no matter how convincing the argument, nothing will change their mind, so why bother?

@Parker231

39 working days to go. I’d say it’s looking more than likely.

whether remainers are intelligent, thick or in the middle is not the relevant issue. Remainers are not the ones pushing a suicidally risky option without the faintest clue of the likely consequences. If the No Dealers had the faintest clue, they would not be advocating it.

Yes it is, because the overton window was framed as such the day after the election, the vocal remainers on here jumping through mental hoops of being anti-thatcher/tory/neoliberal and being pro EU is somehow lost and is more of a bind for the left than it is the right.

Not a single one of them has been able to answer in detail how a No Deal will play out, despite me and others on the thread asking several times.

Because what you are asking is for impossible, you cannot say in detail how it will play out without resorting to op ed pieces, any op ed pieces offered in response will automatically be rejected. Can you answer in detail how staying in the EU will help the disenfranchised without including lots of caveats of "if we" and "probably", remember that the same Big Businesses, Banks and economists etc who are against leaving the EU are also against a Corbyn Government, so whats your definitive answer

Can you answer in detail how staying in the EU will help the disenfranchised

How will remaining help them? Not a lot.

Because it's not the job of the EU. The electoral system and lack of inward investment isn't the responsibility of the EU.

So your point was?

Arguments like this really don't help the point that you know what you are talking about.