To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

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And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

There are pages and pages of no deal propaganda.
its horrible.

This isn't helping either, pretending that everything else is just propaganda, both sides should be fact checked and people should realise the economists are not exact scientists and have been proven wrong on many occasion. A lot of the pro remain figure heads said we would fail if we didn't join the Euro for example, some didn't see the 2008 crash, and some even are pro austerity.

Its a minefield and people on both sides are picking up news that confirms their personal bias. It's a shit show all round.

Can we have your analysis, then, PinkGin, if you knew what you were voting for?

Maybe start by breaking it down by industry across short, medium, and long-term time frames? Include risks, quantified and calculated as to the likelihood of them crystallising? Ask, perhaps, an analysis of what opportunities may arise, what likelihood of them arising, their impact on the economy, etc?

Ta.

I'd also be interested, without outing yourself, if you could give an indication of any professional or academic experience and qualifications you have that has made you so confident in your opinion? Also, links to data sources, etc.

Not this again

@PinkGin24 but isn't that just a longer way of saying "I wouldn't recognise free trade if I walked in on it rutting my ma"?

It's pretty clear that you've never seen a trade agreement or have any idea what's usually in them.

Go ahead and report @surferjet so it can be hidden away. Let's all put a blanket over our head and nothing bad will happen.

It's kinda topical, no, surfer? You do know that you are not duty bound to click on Brexit threads?

Yanbu!

Think they are just sick to the back teeth of all the talk and rejected deals. Totally agree they probably have no idea. Many people have no idea, that was the problem in the first place. Should never have been a referendum in the first place.

Where you are BU or not, you are being insulting by suggesting that those who want no deal have no idea what it means or why they want it, that they are incapable of such intelligent thought. If you wish to be treated with respect, please treat those who want Brexit, and even those who want No Deal, with the same respect.

Eggys are you saying that everyone who wants a No Deal is sufficiently well-educated, and sufficiently knowledgeable to know exactly what the consequences of No Deal will be?

I’m not going to report it - even though I have the brexit board hidden because I’m so sick of brexit threads.
They’re all the bleedin’ same !

I'm yet to hear a good reason for any Brexit, let alone a no deal. I understand why it happened, but I don't believe it is the right solution.

Can the 'no deal' people tell me what they think will happen on 30th March with:

I'm not a no deal person, I voted remain, but this asking for answers is a tiered cliche now.

Unless you want to get into slinging op-eds as an appeal to authority then its down to the goverment to sort out no?

Food
www.gov.uk/government/publications/importing-high-risk-food-and-animal-feed-if-theres-no-brexit-deal--2/importing-high-risk-food-and-animal-feed-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

Medicine
medicines.necsu.nhs.uk/no-deal-brexit-continuity-of-medicines-supplies/

Electricity supply

www.gov.uk/government/publications/trading-electricity-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/trading-electricity-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

Its all a shit show, but to pretend that you could answer questions of what staying in the EU would look like in 2 years if we still had a massive deficit, introducing denationalisation of the railways and complying with EU regulations of opening up to competition (Macron is having to do just that), or how staying in the EU will help bring jobs and industry back to leave areas considering big businesses are a neoliberal wet dream and have given grants to move businesses about.

You can't expect others to answer as you can't answer the opposite, that is what a representative government is for.

To those saying pp saying we have no idea how no deal will play out - we absolutely do have an idea. Look at any third country (I.e no country with a preferential trading arrangement of any kind) and how they trade with the EU and that will give you a pretty good idea. Hard border, no free movement of goods or services, customs checks, tariffs, no agreement on transfer of data for policing and security purposes, no recognition of professional qualifications for those we need and want in the country like doctors etc.

No deal means no trade deals.
No trade deals means no trade.
No trade means no goods or services.
No goods or services means no food imports, medicine imports, imports of power, flights landing from other countries.
Overnight these things would just stop with no deal.

Am I right, or can a no-deal campaigner clear that up for me?

Eggsmum
Unfortunately in my line of work the directors are all remain (except for a rogue director) - we have to deal with all the ramifications of a no deal to protect our workforce.
So when you say 'respect our decision', I grind my teeth and nod.

Eggys are you saying that everyone who wants a No Deal is sufficiently well-educated, and sufficiently knowledgeable to know exactly what the consequences of No Deal will be?

I think she may be saying that to try and pretend that everyone who wants a No deal is uneducated is just as naive in thinking that everyone who voted remain are well-educated and has sufficient knowledge about the EU.

Its a false premise

Dunning - Kruger

I know a bit about some stuff. When leave supporters tell me they know things about things I know about they generally don't.

Economics I know little about. I know I don't understand lots of things, and I have done research and followed threads. I have no academic knowledge of vast areas of economics.

So when people who don't know about the stuff I do understand claim they do and get it wrong then tell me they know stuff about stuff I don't know about I don't believe them.

It's simple.

Here you go, Leavers, here are your leaders. They will be the first to take your last penny and throw you in a ditch. I wonder how many poor sods in Dyson voted Leave.

"Sir James Dyson, the British billionaire inventor and outspoken Brexiter who called on the government to walk away from the EU without a deal, is moving the headquarters of his vacuum cleaner and hair dryer technology company to Singapore."

www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/22/dyson-to-move-company-hq-to-singapore?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1IUjAfA2RlOFNxyLw7wBgVGQRLtPgEiVde4WvQVrPrCjnNqor4giZ0OLY

Eggysmom that is not what OP is saying. I am personally intelligent but have no idea when it comes to brexit anymore than Theresa May could do my job. Understanding of brexit ad intelligence are not necessarily linked.

Otherwise you might as well say anyone that doesn't know anything about car engines (replaceable with anything knowledge based) don't know because they are not clever enough

@justanotherlurker, as a remainer I have learnt to understand that the motivation for the Brexit vote by some were because they came from areas that had been neglected and underfunded by Westminster since Thatcher decimated the industries of these areas. As their day to day living standards were still poor I can understand remainer arguments that the economy would be worse outside EU held little sway as it wasn’t great for them as is. However, we know the economy will be even worse if we leave, just can’t say for how long and how bad, and as these areas always wrongly get the least surely for those of who think these areas will be even poorer outside the EU there is a responsibility to share that. I think these areas need their legitimate grievances acknowledged but also to understand leaving the EU will not get them addressed. Remain campaigners need to say we will work to get Westminster to stop neglecting you but we have more chance of doing that if we stay within the EU.

No deal means no trade deals.
No trade deals means no trade.
No trade means no goods or services.
*No goods or services means no food imports, medicine imports, imports of power, flights landing from other countries.
Overnight these things would just stop with no deal. *

Looks like we have found the ill informed propoganda on the remain side.

Clearly shows the lack of understanding is not just on the leavers side.

It is ill informed propaganda

However was in a meeting last week where they wouldn't sign up to any wage deal in October for employees.

Now that is bloody worrying.

I don’t think it will happen - no one is going to risk breaching the GFA. I expect the MP’s will vote for a second referendum and there will be a majority to remain and the whole horrendous thing will get called off.