To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

[KennDodd]

And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

i voted brexit and know exactly what i voted for ... don't pretend that we are stupid or patronise you have no right to think your views are better than mine.. it is called democracy so respect what has been voted for.

No deal means no trade deals.
No trade deals means no trade.
No trade means no goods or services.

I second the above being ill informed propaganda by retmainers. Likely ones not old enough to remember life before the EU.

It is truly pathetic!

For those being positive about a no deal. How do you suggest the supply chain and GFA are dealt with?

know exactly what i voted for ..

How? It wasn't negotiated then and hasn't been decided yet?

What Brexit means is unclear to everybody apart from you.

I'm old enough to remember life before EU and if one more numpty says it'll be great just like it was then I might piss myself laughing.
I'm sure we can make trade deals. Eventually. From a position of economic weakness. Was that what you had in mind?

See leavers really, really don't help themselves when they say : Likely ones not old enough to remember life before the EU

Because age is totally irrelevant. An understanding of economics is not based on how old you are. A memory of an event or time does not mean you understand it.

Age does not help your argument about how much you understand the complex economic arguments.

So you know exactly what remain means .. tied to a nanny state. There is a big wide world out there that trade can be done with or are you so narrow minded that Europe is the means of everything. you have seen how tied we are that we cant even do anything without the EU say so

Nicholas22 yes know what remain means. Like it or not, agree with it or not, we know what remain means.

We do not know what 'no deal' entails.

I'll hold my hands up - I've never implied no deal seekers are thick or uneducated but I've implied their cruel and heartless.

May cant get her deal through Parliament. EU have made their position very clear. Little/no chance of removing the backstop.

No Deal it is. 39 working days to go.

Nicholas - I do respect your views. But how do you feel that with people like myself having to deal with decision making on a No deal. I fear that the majority of decision makers at a high level are 'remain'.
I did not genuinely want to be in this position but have to work through it on behalf of people that are not happy with my view.

Cruel and heartless for what... believing that the country has a better future, not tied to the EU, can make our own decisions thats not cruel and heartless...that is the remain ideology. What we want is to trade with who we want, not have to pay levy's to be in a group, to think on our own and have an identity.

So, no deal means we get to make our own trade agreements with the rest of the world. What are we selling again?

If we go for no deal, that will last for a day. The very next day we will have to phone the EU and start negotiating “deals” for everything.

I know of one PM who is a bit fed up with the inability of the UK to agree to a deal. English literal translation: "Teresa May is always welcome for a cup of coffee". Hearing it in your own language you can hear the intonation and sighing, correct translation: I have to be polite and welcome her for a cup of coffee but that coffee is all she's going to get". All that negotiating is wearing thin on a lot of people in the EU. They've had two years to agree to a deal or a hard brexit or stay in or a new referendum. Zero has happened but the EU has had to spend a lot of money preparing for a worst case no Brexit while the UK is still faffing around.

Its unfortunate but leave advocates clearly don’t understand either economics or the EU. To say “I know exactly what I voted for” when what they were voting for could mean a huge variety of things (eg norway arrangement, no deal, Canada plus) is only another sad sign that they lack basic understanding of the issues.

No deal would be a disaster. The idea that giving up an enormously successful trading arrangement with our closest trading partners and the worlds largest and wealthiest trading block is an obvious non starter to anyone with any knowledge of economics or even just two brain cells to rub together.

Nicholas22 (good username there, very reliable), who do we currently not trade with that you do want to trade with? What do you want to trade with them? How much will we get for it and does it include being able to get hold of that 40% of food that we need?

"To think on our own", yes that's how you will be thinking. What will you be thinking that you can't think now, and how will it be better?

Details, details, details. Ask for details and actual plans and they melt away like agitators.

Why on earth people can't accept us trading with the EU without being ruled and dictated to by the EU is a mystery.

It wasn't always this all or nothing nonsense.

And also you would have to be a bit thick to think brexit will open up wonderful trading opertunites with the rest of the world. Any country is much more likely to make a deal (and will make a much better deal) with the worlds largest and wealthiest trading block than with a much smaller and comparatively less valuable market like the UK.

Benefits to leaving the EU are things like no more pesky employment regulation- no need to give employees holiday pay anymore. The economy can be more competitive by exploiting the poorest and worse off. That’s why your jrm etc are all in favor.

I have learnt to understand that the motivation for the Brexit vote by some were because they came from areas that had been neglected and underfunded by Westminster since Thatcher decimated the industries of these areas

The de industrialisation of areas is a complex issue due to globalisation and neo liberal economics (which most vocal remainers refuse to accept the EU is neoliberal at it's heart), Labour spent a decade in power and did sod all, in fact during their reign there was a lot of off shoring and Eu grants given to businesses to move etc. They was given a chance to rebel and took it.

However, we know the economy will be even worse if we leave, just can’t say for how long and how bad, and as these areas always wrongly get the least surely for those of who think these areas will be even poorer outside the EU there is a responsibility to share that. I think these areas need their legitimate grievances acknowledged but also to understand leaving the EU will not get them addressed. Remain campaigners need to say we will work to get Westminster to stop neglecting you but we have more chance of doing that if we stay within the EU.

That's true, but a lot of vocal remainers need to accept they are not as left wing as they like to profess or that they have these areas in mind, if they did they wouldn't cast them aside so quickly as being thick and uneducated racists.

The reason why its a shit show is not because of the silent tory, or right wing media, its because a majority of constituents who would vote for a red rosette on a donkey voted to leave.

You are also still trying to treat economics as a binary science, ignoring the many crys from the same economists saying we would end up in disaster scenarios if we didn't take up the euro and those who said there would be no GFC in 2008.

Also how are the EU “dictating” to us? We used to have a say as a member. Now if we want to trade with them we will have to accept their rules, standards, etc with no say. Sounds a lot more like brexit means they are dictating to us than the opposite.

i HAVE a degree in Economics, the trade deal benefits the EU not UK. Unless you are working in the financial market in London.. look at Northern areas what investment has the EU done the UK is divided due to rich cats and Bliarites. Ps I have many brain cells possible far more thsn you

Autumn,

Now I finally understand what James Dyson meant when he said he wanted to leave the EU..... Guess he’s just created a vacuum..

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Because age is totally irrelevant. An understanding of economics is not based on how old you are. A memory of an event or time does not mean you understand it.

Pretending you understand economics and think that austerity is a right wing ideoligical position issue shows your understanding of economics to be honest.

It's not just leave voters who are doing mental gymnastics in this debate.

Ok with your degree in economics tell me why the EU is responsible for the lack of inward investment that is actually the job of the U.K. government?

And sorry but if you have opinions based on racism and nonsense you can’t have any excuses if people think you’re a thick racist. I’m from a poor background but I can think for myself. Not sure that your stereotype of leavers being poor lurker is correct but people who believe ill informed racist nonsense don’t get a free pass regardless of their economic circumstances.