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To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

650 replies

KennDodd · 22/01/2019 17:47

And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

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ForalltheSaints · 22/01/2019 19:10

Some people do, but I suspect only a small part of those who say they support No Deal.

Tolleshunt · 22/01/2019 19:11

YANBU

MrsAriadneOliver what are your professional/academic credentials in the field of macroeconomics and international relations, such that you can say it will be 'worth it', and know that you have a sound basis for your opinion?

Also, I would be interested if you have considered the impact on all sections of society, including those who are already struggling financially, when you state that it will be 'worth it'. Any cost-benefit analysis on that that you would care to share with us? The

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 22/01/2019 19:11

This twitter poll run by Sky News says it all really. YANBU.

To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?
Hazardswans · 22/01/2019 19:12

I voted remain not because it was in my heart but because Leave had no plan for me to consider....here we are with just weeks to go and plan less.

AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 22/01/2019 19:15

MrsAriadneOliver

Not this again.

No Deal is better than the crummy deal negotiated by May. WTO terms are slightly less advantageous but we can negotiate our own trade deals going forward.

MrsAriadneOliver if it comes to no deal will you come back to this thread, or start your own, to tell others if no deal went as you expected / hoped?

Can we have a MNters agreement?

Rhayader · 22/01/2019 19:18

@bellinisurge

OECD chief says no deal brexit would be seamless and lower cost. Michael Gove is a member of Theresa May’s cabinet and as such will want to get her deal through Parliament.

Let’s not forget that we were told there would be a year long recession following a brexit vote: www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564

The reality is that the UK is growing faster than the eurozone right now...

Paddy1234 · 22/01/2019 19:19

I am very quiet on the subject of Brexit purely as in one of positions in a large company where I have to deal with possibility of a no deal.
It's awful, I cannot tell you how worrying it is,

And if I hear of another person saying 'it will be okay', I may lamp them.

Hazardswans · 22/01/2019 19:21

Paddy Sad sorry your likely to be impacted.

Mistigri · 22/01/2019 19:26

They don't know what it means

Or

They will personally benefit (small number of wealthy people)

Or

They are paid to say it.

I think that covers it.

Bombardier25966 · 22/01/2019 19:27

@Rhayader OECD chief says no deal brexit would be seamless and lower cost.

That's absolutely not what he says. Have you not watched the video you've posted?

Justanotherlurker · 22/01/2019 19:27

I work in business in the North East of England, we have a fair idea what it means (nothing positive believe me) and we are terrified. Overall unemployment may have gone down today but in the North East it went up.

The North East is forgotten about - and not just by the government.

Steelworks closed down, 3,000 jobs lost - BBC National news, ITV, Sky, etc. hardly any coverage (Mirror put it on the front page, I think). Port Talbot is threatened with closure, it's everywhere - Lead story on all the TV news shows. Sure they had 1,000 more jobs but the reason for the closure was exactly the same.

It's our governments fault but you have to remember, the people who voted in the referendum were those disenfranchised, who looked at either party and said "you're not doing anything for me".

Now look at the Remain campaign, fronted by Cameron, who people up there already hated him (there was evidence on here about treating along political lines) and he was asking people to stay in a system which they felt wasn't working for them.

Until people understand that, you aren't going to fix any of the underlying issues behind Brexit. And the inevitable calling them dumb for voting leave isn't going to help that. Say what you want about Corbyn, but voting Labour in the hope he gets in is also voting for heavy change - Are people dumb for voting that way?

The EU Ref was almost a psychological invitation to rebel, which people duly did.

Paddy1234 · 22/01/2019 19:27

We can't put any contingency plans in place as no one knows what will happen and that will impact on all areas of business as all forecasts and budgeting are out the window.

I have never seen anything like it in 30 years of employment

Paddy1234 · 22/01/2019 19:29

No fear of outing myself but I studied Econometrics and am a chief analyst and I haven't got a **king clue.

marymarkle · 22/01/2019 19:30

Totally agree OP.

Moussemoose · 22/01/2019 19:31

YANBU

PinkGin24 · 22/01/2019 19:33

YABVVVVVVU.

I voted to leave, and when I voted to leave I was happy for that to be on the basis of no deal. I am sick to death of remainers claiming No Deal advocates didn't know what they were voting for or didn't 'really' want No Deal. Yes I did, and Yes I do. Don't assume you have ANY idea about my voting decision.Angry

I am not saying it will be all roses, of course it won't but in the long run I believe it is the best. Being part of the EU is not the be all and end all and we can't allow them to hold us over a barrel.

Helmetbymidnight · 22/01/2019 19:34

Tim Martin says we should just drinking french and German wine.
There are pages and pages of no deal propaganda.
its horrible.

To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?
Paddy1234 · 22/01/2019 19:36

I absolutely respect the voting decision and that is why I have been quiet.

However also please respect my voice as well. I did not personally choose to be in a position whereby any decision and work I will do will impact upon approx 6k of employees who deserve a pay review in October.

It's frightening.

malmi · 22/01/2019 19:38

If no deal meant they would be switching the electricity off for a week there would be people claiming they knew that when they voted and it's exactly what they want to happen and it won't be that bad anyway

DangermousesSidekick · 22/01/2019 19:39

PinkGin we are more over a barrel out of the EU than we are in. We had a say over events when we were in it. Where are you planning on getting the extra food we need from and how are you planning to pay for it when all manufacturing has left for the EU?

JustAnotherLurker I can understand that. But self-destruction was never the kind of change Britain needs.

DippyAvocado · 22/01/2019 19:40

A Sky news poll yesterday showed that 26% of respondents thought that no deal meant staying in the EU. This does not indicate a good understanding of the situation!

DippyAvocado · 22/01/2019 19:42

Sorry Avocadosbeforemortgages, I just noticed you already posted the Sky poll.

Hazardswans · 22/01/2019 19:42

I voted knowing I was hurting people financially and medically but I decided the EU was mean so fuck people on meds or people with jobs at risk

That's all I hear when people bang on about pro no deal.

Tolleshunt · 22/01/2019 19:42

Paddy I don't want to out myself, so will be oblique, but my professional background, in financial services, financial regulation and the civil service (in a relevant post, at fairly senior level), put me in the position of having way more of a clue than 99.99% of the population, and I recognise that it is far too complex for me to safely predict an outcome.

What I do know, is that the risks are huge. I would no more vote leave than gamble my house on a throw of a dice. I am incredulous that so many felt able to bet the house. But then, I guess they just don't know what they don't know.

MrsTerryPratcett · 22/01/2019 19:43

Can the 'no deal' people tell me what they think will happen on 30th March with:

Food imports
Medicine
Electricity supply
The island of Ireland
Flights
Policing?

Cheers, it would be really reassuring.