To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

[KennDodd]

And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

I have no idea what you are talking about!

My own view is that the root of it is unfounded xenophobia

People are allowed to have concerns about mass immigration. You may like it, others are entitled not to. It doesn’t mean they hate foreigners. It doesn’t make them evil people.

"People are allowed to have concerns about mass immigration."

People's concerns regarding immigration are not legitimate.

Please stop using the word mass, the UK population increased by 3% between 1991 and 2001, and 6 % between 2011 a 3%, where only half of this is down to immigration)
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People are allowed to have concerns about mass immigration.
Not when their information is completely and utterly wrong.

MrsAriadnes problem is that she thinks we should return to Christian values and nuclear families that never actually existed

Mass immigration does not exists
the controlled immigration the UK has experienced has prevented the hollowing out of the workforce
and thus prevented severe economic decline

If there is a hard Brexit, the non Brits will leave
but the employers will be shutting the factories
so there will still be a net loss of jobs for those Brits who are under 65

People's concerns regarding immigration are not legitimate

To you, obviously not!

MrsAriadnes problem is that she thinks we should return to Christian values and nuclear families that never actually existed

I fail to see what is inherently wrong with that, and Christianity and nuclear families certainly existed

"To you, obviously not"

But they aren't.

Every single one of the reasons given from lower wages, to pressure on services is utter drivel.

Its a justification for xenophobia.

You’re not addressing the social changes that come along with immigration, which I think bother a large percentage of the population. Different values which may be incompatible with British values, different religions, different languages.

Except the areas that have significant levels of immigrant population seem to have the least issues with this.

Those with the lowest have poorer attitudes to immigration and are therefore more likely to blame it for problems.

As show the findings of the migration committee.

Spurious.

"Different values which may be incompatible with British values, different religions, different languages."

Which EU immigrants have vastly different values to British citizens or indeed have "different religions" ?

Blah blah blah, I think whatever about why people voted Leave.
Here. Now. What the hell do we do? No deal catastrophe?

Actually social changes that bother the local population because of different language or religion, the bother felt by the local population is down to xenophobia.

@bellinisurge

Emigrate?

Not me @MrsAriadneOliver , you would have to drive me out with a pitchfork. Tough shit.

Well that would be ironic.

More than happy to leave you behind!

We have problems more to do with gentrification and displacement of communities relating to social cleansing than immigration. And that's related to austerity and an increasing gap between rich and poor rather than immigration.

When I read some of the posts here, apart from getting angry, I’m so glad I’m lucky enough to have a EU country passport and that DH are going to be leaving the UK (I’ve lived here since I was five and DH, a Canadian, since he was 21). It will mean the GP practice which DH is the Senior Partner closing down as there is a shortage of GP’s. When you get told that you will have to wait six weeks or more for a doctors appointment, please remember that non UK citizens are currently holding the NHS together!

Except the areas that have significant levels of immigrant population seem to have the least issues with this.

This is a very well-known phenomenon. The worst racism tends to be in areas near areas with a diverse population. Moving just one street can reduce people's racism and increase their good feelings towards people different to themselves.

My DM, in her 70s, from a tiny, poor, very Christian, very white town in Scotland, now sends her time learning Mandarin from the market stall holders, gets tips on cooking from the Turkish supermarket staff, buys her cheap food at the Indian supermarket and chats with the Polish deli bloke about the news.

She was a bastard though and so was her child. Thoroughly disproved of by MrsAriadneOliver I'd imagine, what with being a non-nuclear family in the 1940s. And the 1960s. I'd love to know when this Golden Age of Christianity and nuclear families was... Not the Victorians with their brothels and not during the war when a huge number of children were born out of wedlock.

Nuclear families exist today, is there any evidence that citizens of other EU countries have less nuclear families than UK citizens?
Also worth remembering that forcing unwed mothers to give their DC up for adoption was rife in this supposed golden age of families. As was the social stigma of leaving a man who physically abused you.
Leaving the EU will not turn back time to a rose coloured version of the 1950s.

@MrsTerryPratcett

Oh yes, I heartily disapprove. In fact, I make a point of judging everyone despite knowing nothing about them or their lives. I long to return to those mythical golden days when food was boring, homes were cold and everyone huddled around the wireless of an evening. Bliss!

Nuclear families exist today, is there any evidence that citizens of other EU countries have less nuclear families than UK citizens?

I wasn’t referring to the EU, but don’t quite understand why that comment has been singled out for derision. We’ve become selfish and self-obsessed. Old-fashioned notions of duty, responsibility and self-sacrifice have disappeared. The nuclear family with a mother and father is the best environment in which to raise children. Although there will always be exceptions, when a partner is abusive for example, it is the ideal scenario. But it’s becoming less and less common. People think that their own happiness is paramount, more important than that of their children. We’ve incentivised women to marry the government, let men off the hook and allowed them to neglect their moral and financial responsibilities to their children. It’s a social catastrophe.

Also worth remembering that forcing unwed mothers to give their DC up for adoption was rife in this supposed golden age of families. As was the social stigma of leaving a man who physically abused you.

Indeed, but no one would ever wish that to be the case now, would they?

We’ve incentivised women to marry the government,

My bleeding heart liberal, feminist, head has just exploded.

We’ve incentivised women to marry the government, let men off the hook and allowed them to neglect their moral and financial responsibilities to their children. It’s a social catastrophe.
R....i....g....h....t

In this idyll my Mum, once she was married was asked:

1. Are you a Catholic?
2. Have you just got married?
3. Can you promise you won't have a baby soon?

Then they said she couldn't have the job. In the early days of the NHS. Happy times for the nuclear family. My parents were together over 40 years, if it matters to you. This is how they started married life.