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School using dd to help support sen children

293 replies

Jammiebammie · 21/01/2019 16:01

Rubbish title sorry, couldn’t think what else to put. I don’t think iabu but would really appreciate some input.

Bit of background, dd2 (11) is in p7 and has an anxiety disorder, she sees cahms for this. She also has cfs and does struggle a bit some times. Youngest dd is disabled and although sad to admit, it does impact on dd2s anxiety quite a lot and we are working hard to help her deal with this.

At school, dd is a great student and we’ve never had any issues with her in that respect. Shes a house captain, always has good work and is often called upon to help teachers etc.
Dd has been on the receiving end of bullying which took forever to sort with the school, but it has improved this last year.
I have had many meetings with the school for dds health and well-being, she sometimes needs to take herself off for ‘cool off times’ where she has been stressed, or finding things too difficult (we had issues with her self harming which was heartbreaking, but she seems so deal with really well atm)

Sorry for long post there, but didn’t want to drip feed.

Before Xmas, dd was asked to look after a little girl in p1 who has additional needs. This was at break and lunch times for the period of a week. Dd found this very difficult, she had to sit with her girl and make sure she ate lunch, didn’t scream and a few other things. I wasn’t happy about this as dd seemed so stressed about it, but she begged me not to phone the school, as it only lasted a week and the school holidays were looming I did respect her wishes and I just let it go.

Today she comes home in tears and has told me for the last week she has been given a little boy within additional needs to look after. This has been since last week and they want her to do it for another 2 weeks, every single break and lunch time. She has been told to tell him not to kick and hit people and to be on alert for his behaviour. He was hitting her today and spitting in her face and she has to just ‘deal with it’. She has to feed him lunch and took him to the toilet too.
She was told that there weren’t enough support teachers to help, and as a house captain she has a responsibility to help the school.
To say I am fuming is an understatement! She doesn’t want me to phone but I will tomorrow, I can’t believe they have put this on a child who needs extra support at home, and dealing with a disabled sibling this is the last thing she needs. It’s also not fair on the children who she has been asked to watch, their needs aren’t being met, dd isn’t trained to deal with any of these issues and it is so wrong and lazy of the school to ask student to take this on (I suspect there are other p7s looking after younger children but I haven’t confirmed this with dd).

Is it even legal for the school to do this? If it was my younger dd being looked after by another student and not her support teacher I think I would be just as mad, but the fact they are well aware of dd2s struggles and have plans in place for when she is overwhelmed, I just can’t beleive this.

Any ideas of how I can speak to the school to rectify this? Any legislations I can quote? I obviously won’t go in all guns blazing and will get proper facts from the school first, but surely this can’t be acceptable.

Sorry this is so long, well done if you got this far!

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MaisyPops · 22/01/2019 16:29

Corkleg
It's not terrible communication.

I've had a message left for me on a day asking for a call back that day and it doesn't happen. They get called back around my teaching timetable, existing meetings, CPD and duties. That's just life.

If it's a genuine emergency then a senior member of staff who's on call can deal with it.

A note, 2 calls and an email is overkill.

I should add (just in case usual anti school selective quote posters turn up), I do think the OP is right to raise it with school.

SofiaAmes · 22/01/2019 17:27

Are you sure your dd actually gave the note to her teacher?

mummyhaschangedhername · 22/01/2019 20:52

What happened OP?

KrispyKremes · 22/01/2019 22:18

Your poor DD. This is so very wrong of the school on all accounts.

I'd actually be wanting to take this further.

ilikefastcars · 22/01/2019 22:20

This is appalling! Any update op?

northernlassatheart · 22/01/2019 23:07

It makes me so cross when schools do this. My daughter's 'job' in year 4 was to teach the bottom table maths !! At the age of 9 she would take them out into the corridor and sit with them and explain fractions and the like! So in the maths lesson the school weren't teaching her anything and she was alone in the corridor with the kids who occasionally got star of the week for 'not throwing a chair at classmates'.
I told her the next time she had to do it to ask how much teaching assistants got paid 😆 she did and he just laughed and gave her some raffle tickets for the next school fair!

I know schools are under pressure, but what the OPs daughter is being asked to do is certainly too much for a fellow pupil. Poor thing, definitely speak to the school x

Talkingfrog · 22/01/2019 23:35

Your poor daughter. I can't imagine how she is feeling.

My daughter yr 3 has a yr7 buddy. They buddy for computers, so when it is raining instead of going outside after lunch the older ones help the younger on nessy etc. I can see why that would work, and it is not every day.
An adult has to by law have a break after a set number of hours. (I think it is 20 min after 6 hrs but may be wrong). Your daughter is not being given a chance for a break.
With everything else she has to deal with the school should be trying to lighten the load, not put her under more pressure. She should be able to play or chat with her friends.

As others have said there are numerous Safeguarding issues too. An adult that is going to be taking children to the toilets should have an enhanced drb check. Your daughter should definitely not be responsible for doing it.

Good luck for when you speak to the school.

CSIblonde · 22/01/2019 23:54

As an ex Teacher legally they are on really dodgy ground re their duty of care & unqualified supervision for the SEN child, never mind getting your DD to do a teaching assistant role & duty of care re her possible injury by said child/the effect on her emotional & social wellbeing when she should be mixing with her peers . Speak to the Head.

Jammiebammie · 23/01/2019 09:16

Still no reply from school, at all!!
Dd had the boy again yesterday during break time but says he was kept in at lunch for his behaviour. And yes she handed the letter to her teacher.
I’ve phoned again this morning, explained everything fully to the receptionist (who’s actually lovely) and explained how unhappy I am, and dd is under no circumstances to be looking after the boy today. The head is in meetings this morning, but she assured me I will get a call after 12.
Will update you all this afternoon, even dh is really angry about this now, especially as she had the boy again yesterday after the letter was handed in...

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FrancisCrawford · 23/01/2019 09:18

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GerryblewuptheER · 23/01/2019 09:33

This is awful your poor dd. Alison is spot on!

Not fair on the other child either. Adults train to deal with children with SN. Even the parents mess up ffs. How on earth is an 11 yr old meant to deal witg it.

How horrible for the chikd in question to be dumped on selected children against his will as well as the other child and not get the assistance they need. Failing him massively.

Failing both of them.

If it happens again keep her home until you 'receive written confirmation it won't happen again.

ChrisjenAvasarala · 23/01/2019 09:34

If the head is in meetings, can you request that the class teacher call you at break So you can ensure they havnt ignored you again?

Normally I'd say wait for them to schedule a time to talk, but their behaviour here is beyond a joke so you shouldn't wait for their convenience.

angieloumc · 23/01/2019 09:51

Absolutely shocking, your poor DD. Hope it gets resolved today.

Weenurse · 23/01/2019 10:01

💐

Aeroflotgirl · 23/01/2019 10:09

Hope you get somewhere today, if not iwpd certainly contact the LEA as what the school is doing is wholely wrong, and putting your dd at risk. I wod tell your dd to refuse, that she had been told by mum not to look after this boy.

staydazzling · 23/01/2019 10:29

wow,just wow full guns blazing time me thinks

marymarkle · 23/01/2019 10:42

The OPs DD is obviously a quiet well behaved child. Her refusing will no doubt be too hard for her. Which is why they asked her.

Consolidatedyourloins · 23/01/2019 10:49

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BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 23/01/2019 11:15

That's dreadful that she still was looking after the boy at break despite your letter being handed over.
The fact that she didn't have to look after him at lunch break was only becuase of his behaviour

TidyDancer · 23/01/2019 11:31

Gosh OP, that's dreadful, particularly that they carried on with it yesterday at break. Fingers crossed the school responds soon and effectively.

UnicornSlaughters · 23/01/2019 12:08

This is absolutely shocking.

I'd threaten to go to the press. Daily Mail journos assemble!

MrMeSeeks · 23/01/2019 12:23

Wow in case like this yanbu, and even after you’ve made your wishes clear

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 23/01/2019 12:34

I'm sure the boy's parents aren't too happy with this set up either

RiverTam · 23/01/2019 12:40

I hope you manage to speak to the school today, OP.

(OT, but why have jaco's comments been deleted? No-one has referenced them so I assume she didn't say anything horrific?)

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 23/01/2019 12:47

Hope you’re ok op. I’m absolutely horrified by this thread. If you didn’t get a suitable response I’d suggest govenors and LA next.