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To have concerns about going back to work (long post)

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BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 12:06

Warning extremely long post

I had a couple of career jobs in my 20's. Stayed at home in my 30's raising our family. Now in my 40's it is time to work again.

I have some concerns about returning to work and a couple of questions regarding child care.

Child care questions first.

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to leave a 10yo, 8yo and 6yo to lock up the house and walk 10 minutes to primary school together in the morning and return home together after school to wait home together but without adult supervision until a parent returns. They already do this walk with me daily. 8yo and 10yo sometimes walk back from school on their own.

I think we would have to pay for school wrap around care for all three children. As 6yo and 8yo are too young to be on their own and the 10yo is very anxious child and gets very frightened if they are ever left alone, even to sleep or visit the bathroom.

1. Do we need to pay for wrap around school care for the three younger children ?

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to get the 12yo to watch the 10yo, 8yo and 6yo all day in the school holidays whilst we both work. 12yo would also have to serve a simple cold lunch and get snacks and drinks out.

I think we would have to pay for holiday care for the youngest two at the very minimum. As 10yo would probably be OK with 12yo during the day.

2. Do we need to pay for holiday care for the youngest two/three ?

Now the work concerns

I have not formally worked for a decade, but have volunteered for a few things during this time. However I still have a working brain and I am more than capable of finding work and actually doing a job day to day.

In fact the thought of working with adults is appealing to me, to do work that matters rather than the endless grind of housework. All things being equal, I look forward to returning to work. However I was planning to wait until the youngest was in high school and my DH wants me to go back now...hence looking into practicalities now.

My main concern is that I won't be able to turn a profit. My last job was well paid, however as I need a local job and a short commute (because of health issues) there isn't much choice locally. I will likely end up in a minimum wage no promotion type job.

I need to balance this new income against one off costs (work clothes and a pair of shoes), work related costs (petrol/parking), child care costs AND taking into account the loss of child tax credits (removed at a sliding scale depending on my new income) and loss of PIP (which I suspect will be removed the moment I return to work, even though in theory PIP is not related to work, in reality it usually is)

I need this combination to come out with a positive number. Of course if I found a term time or school hours job that would be a lot easier to do, but nothing around here at the minute. So looking at full time hours jobs.

I know there will be comments about how childcare costs need to be taken out of DH's wage too. But in reality his wage already covers all monthly expenses with a tiny amount left over. Simply speaking, if my wage can't cover all my new costs plus turn a profit, it is not feasible.

My DH has ruled out evening or weekend work, as he doesn't want to be stuck in with the children whilst I work. Which is a shame, as this would be the easiest way to turn a profit. I will talk to him again, as I think this is the best solution.

Night work would be very hard for me, as I need to use my cpap machine a minimum of six hours a night in order to be compliant and keep my driving license.

So I am looking at week day work.

I am worried that my ill health will make holding a job down difficult.

My bowel disease means that I need access to a toilet at all times and that access has to be spontaneous, as I might only have a minute to get there. I can not finish a phone call or finish serving a customer, I need a job that I can excuse myself and visit the ladies as and when I need to.

It also means I have periods of a few days a month when I can't leave the bathroom in the morning and would near the flexibility to start work late on these days.

I also have a yearly review and every three years I have a colonoscopy. So would need time off for that stuff too.

I am on a medical diet to reduce IBS symptoms (in addition to my other bowel issue), which means I always have to eat my own food and need somewhere to store, reheat, eat food. This should be an easy one to sort out, as I carry my own food with me as standard.

My Under Active Thyroid requires regular blood tests and medicine updates to get my levels right. This is partially why I am so exhausted all the time. Probably only need two gp appointments every three months. One for bloods, one for results.

My hearing issues are mild, I wear aid in my hearing impaired ear but not in my deaf one, I can lipread. I find noisy environments very difficult to deal with and clearly struggle to hear at some times. But honestly this has never affected my work much.

Beyond people failing to get my attention sometimes and I prefer to confirm everything in a email to check I haven't misheard anything (which is sensible for everyone to do).

Sleep Apnoea adds to my tiredness and I use a cpap machine overnight in order to keep my driving license.

I am temporarily having balance issues, I am falling over more and dropping things a fair bit. But I am confident this will go away, maybe I need some exercises to do. I have a Neurology Appointment next month, hopefully it will rule out the nasties and I will get a sheet of exercises to strengthen my legs and grip.

My bowel disease and my hearing impairment are classed as disabilities but I don't consider myself to be disabled.

My DH thinks I am disabled and I should tell potential employers upfront and I am more likely to get a guarantee interview this way too. But I am concerned my issues would put them off employing me. However it would give me a chance to explain in person, how I am a good worker, despite a few health issues. So I am very undecided on this point.

I am unsure when/if I would tell an employee about my health issues. Before interview, after I start work, if it starts affecting my job ?

3. Do work need to know about my health issues ? If so when do you mention it ?

4. Will work allow me time off for regular medical appointments?

I am concerned that DH has made it clear that he can not help with the children's clubs, illness, homework. As he works long hours a good distance away.

In particularly I need to cover 12yo brace appointments every three months and 6yo speech therapy appointments one hour weekly.

5. Will work allow me time off for regular children medical appointments? Or how else do I get children to these appointments?

Currently there are also a beavers, cubs, dance, scouts and gymnastic evening clubs outside school. Plus a couple of after school clubs too.
I usually parent and ferry children around between 3.30pm and 8pm (latest one 9.30pm) every evening.

6. But if I work full time and need to fit homework, tea, bath in for the kids, I assume they will have to quit all these clubs. Or do I get a taxi to run them there, whilst I parent the other children ? How do other people do this ?

My DH has already said that he can not take time off to cover children illness, it is up to me to cover it all. Luckily only the 6yo is ill often and I am confident that this will improve in time. I am guessing I will need maximum 6 days a year to cover D&V bugs, hopefully a lot less.

7. Will work allow me time off when kids are ill ? What are the alternatives ?

I am concerned that I simply will not be able to cope doing everything that I do now and work 40 hours on top of it
However I know plenty of women do it and therefore there is no reason I shouldn't try.

But I am so exhausted already and I don't know how I am going find the extra energy I need. Already at home, I can not sit down from 3pm onwards as I will fall asleep, even if talking to someone or doing paperwork. The doctor said that is normal for parents, so I just have to KOKO.

Despite all these worries, if I can address all the above concerns and bring in some much needed money into the house, I would be delighted.

On the plus note, I want to earn my own money, help support our family, maybe save up for a family holiday. I want to stop living on such a tight budget, where so many things are simply beyond our means. It would be great to know that when something breaks we would have the money there to to fix it.

But what if I make everything so much worse for me and the kids. What if I work full time and bring in a small amount of money or nothing. I am worried that the kids will spend all their time alone or at school, have to cancel their clubs and not see their friends, so I can work for no profit.

I am definitely going back to work but I planned to get all the kids into high school first, to reduce child care costs. I just think with three in primary school this is going to be hard.

Any positive advice welcome.

I am feeling better now my concerns are written down. Hopefully I will get some good pointers from here and I can work down my list, eliminating my concerns.

Ps. Congratulations for reading this far !

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BackToWorkAgain · 20/01/2019 09:08

rubymaster I finished my degree 25 years ago and I could update my skills. I will have a look at that too.

I will set up a basic spreadsheet which will calculate if a particular job will be profitable or not, depending on hours worked and salary today.

Tomorrow I will go through all the job websites I can find and see what is out there which is doable.

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Grace212 · 20/01/2019 09:11

OP "DH said we can not move as we don't have enough equity to afford the mo"

but what is your take on this - have you looked at the finances and the ways a move would make a difference? Please don't tell me you just took his word for it.

BackToWorkAgain · 20/01/2019 09:14

Littletabbyocelot That is interesting, I will have a look at that, out of interest. However as much as I would enjoy learning again, I wouldn't be bringing money into the house, rather increasing our debt ! So I think beyond a vocation based short course which would lead to a direct job , I think I should rule out educational courses.

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HoraceCope · 20/01/2019 09:15

Have you done a spread sheet on your incomings and outgoings.
it sounds like your DH is needing more money..
you are having money worries.
there are ways round this op.
tighten your belts.
are all these after school clubs necessary?

Just get an evening job for one or two evenings. Tell your DH that is what you have done.

BackToWorkAgain · 20/01/2019 09:17

Grace212 I know he is right, he would never lie to me regarding our finances. I also get all the mortgage statements, as the house is in my name, so see the figures myself.

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Bamchic · 20/01/2019 09:20

Your husband is being a twat.
If you want to work look at meal time assistants/ school receptionist/ TA roles

Girlsnightin · 20/01/2019 09:20

With the three younger kids school holiday cover will be a nightmare and unfair on the older one to be promoted to chief carer.
I think you need to focus on term time only jobs, or unwilling so you can work from home. Bookkeeper etc.
Any other job seems like a nightmare in your circumstances, and with your DHs 'conditions'. Which I have to say have really annoyed me as he's basically said, on top of all the housework and childcare you already do (for 4!!!!) Bung a 40 hour week on top but make sure it does not impact him in any way shape or form!
You'd be better off without him, I'm quite sure.

Girlsnightin · 20/01/2019 09:21

Unwilling = upskilling

BackToWorkAgain · 20/01/2019 09:23

HoraceCope
We run to a very tight budget and every time a car fails its mot or something in the house breaks it is hard to sort it out.
The only unecessary things we pay for is the children's clubs and Netflix at home. Both keep the children entertained.

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Grace212 · 20/01/2019 09:26

OP you see the figures yourself, so do you have the same opinion?

it's very confusing when someone makes a comment like "My husband thinks it's not right financially to move house" - if that's what you think as well, then say so, don't just say "my husband thinks". Otherwise how do posters know what you think?!

HoraceCope · 20/01/2019 09:27

go for that job in the pub op, it will improve your self esteem to be bringing something into the house

HoraceCope · 20/01/2019 09:27

but do the children Need these clubs? can they cut down?

BasinHaircut · 20/01/2019 09:32

I think you and your DH need to sit down and go through all of the finances together. What comes in and what goes out each month and see what the shortfall is.

Also, it sounds like you have seperate finances at the moment (you each pay for different things as per one of your previous posts) which IMO leads to inefficient management of resources. No big deal if you can afford it, but not if you can’t.

Also, a 1.5-2 hour commute is not really that dramatic. Both DH and I have long commutes and as such we both HAVE to do our share of the child stuff (I.e. one does morning, other does evening) and our working hours have to flex around that.

If your DH has a job that is so far away and so inflexible that it’s preventing you from getting the job that your family so desperately needs, then I would suggest that him finding a new job is the first order of business. One that allows him to be more available for his family and that would allow you to have the capacity to work too.

BackToWorkAgain · 20/01/2019 09:34

Even our internet connection is needed for when DH is on call from work. Which is his second argument about me not working evenings and weekends.

But frankly I have not mentioned that previously because 99% of the time the on call queries are dealt with remotely from home with his work laptop (via our internet connection) So if he did get a very rare call out whilst I was working then I would have to hire an emergency babysitter, there are some locally. Of course it would mean working for nothing that day/night but he has only been called into the office twice in the last few years whilst on call, both times around 3am ! I would be home by then. Him being on call sometimes does not matter.

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BasinHaircut · 20/01/2019 09:36

I’m very interested in what your husband does that is low paid enough for you to receive tax credits, but requires him being on call and called into the office at 3am. And why he is so attached to it that he can’t get something closer to home?

Obviously you don’t have to answer that though!

LannieDuck · 20/01/2019 09:36

Is he in a really niche area where there are almost no jobs? And if not, why is he reluctant to look for something closer to home?

HoraceCope · 20/01/2019 09:37

Get a part time job op, lunch only, in your local shop/pub. your dc will cope

Romanov · 20/01/2019 09:38

Committing distance is only 120 miles (I looked on google maps to
check) that is traveling, there and back.

HUGELY massively different to 200 miles.... each way......

So how much does he earn?

Hercules12 · 20/01/2019 09:39

op - how much does he earn? it doesn't sound like it's much so not worth it if it stops a second wage being able to be added to household income. Dh and I have both always chosen jobs eith hours that mean we can both work as a team still to bring up the dc. I think you both need more in depth conversations about how life can be changed to enable more money in. Sadly you may hit a brick wall if your dh isn't willing to be flexible.

BackToWorkAgain · 20/01/2019 09:39

I will have chat to him later

He is very settled at his job, I honestly though he would jump at my suggestion of moving closer to his work. He has previously suggested it himself. Don't know why he doesn't think it will help.

The only thing he keeps saying is that I need a full time week job for me and we will be fine. But he doesn't share my concerns.

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MrsWobble3 · 20/01/2019 09:44

Would you consider retraining as a teacher? If you could offer maths then I think you get a bursary for your training year. You’ll need wrap around childcare but probably not for all the holidays. I don’t know if your health issues would get in the way though. And it’s not very flexible in term time so your husband will need to step up then.

BackToWorkAgain · 20/01/2019 09:46

BasinHaircut He is only on call when he chooses to be, he does it for extra money. He covers some of the on call, then they are a team member down. He could refuse but it isn't a problem.

No idea what happened to looking for a local job. He did get offered one 6 months after we moved here but as I said stayed at the original job with a promotion. He has had some interviews on occasion over last few years but seems happy where he is now.

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cheminotte · 20/01/2019 09:47

I think you really need to understand the finances yourself. Getting a full time job where you are only eg £50 per week better off but massively stressed would be madness.

Mookatron · 20/01/2019 09:51

Your attitude is very odd. Anyone who has been a SAHM for any length of time would knew that going from a parent being around all the time to effectively being the parent in your 12 year old's case would be extremely damaging. Even the transition from having a SAHP to both parents working is tricky - but of course manageable. Your DH is being ridiculous and you need to set him straight.

There are loads of working from home jobs on mumsnet jobs that would suit you (I know because I am never qualified, but you are).

ChipsAreLife · 20/01/2019 09:52

Ok. I think first of all your DH needs to realise that both parents working full times may solve financial problems but will bring a whole world of new ones. It's not a magic fix and trust me you will end up the one being very stressed so think carefully about that road.

Given your skills I think you're best of freelancing in school hours. You could be a virtual PA or contact companies in your field and offer services to support on projects etc. I just think you'll really struggle with finding a full time role with all you've mentioned above.

I freelanced in my field when DC were babies and it was brilliant! I got to the point where I grew it into a business and now I employ other freelancers to support. I think you'll find the working world is changing and lots of companies want freelancers, less risk and financial commitment for them.

I can't help with your exact field but there may be Facebook groups or linked in groups that can help you.