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BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 12:06

Warning extremely long post

I had a couple of career jobs in my 20's. Stayed at home in my 30's raising our family. Now in my 40's it is time to work again.

I have some concerns about returning to work and a couple of questions regarding child care.

Child care questions first.

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to leave a 10yo, 8yo and 6yo to lock up the house and walk 10 minutes to primary school together in the morning and return home together after school to wait home together but without adult supervision until a parent returns. They already do this walk with me daily. 8yo and 10yo sometimes walk back from school on their own.

I think we would have to pay for school wrap around care for all three children. As 6yo and 8yo are too young to be on their own and the 10yo is very anxious child and gets very frightened if they are ever left alone, even to sleep or visit the bathroom.

1. Do we need to pay for wrap around school care for the three younger children ?

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to get the 12yo to watch the 10yo, 8yo and 6yo all day in the school holidays whilst we both work. 12yo would also have to serve a simple cold lunch and get snacks and drinks out.

I think we would have to pay for holiday care for the youngest two at the very minimum. As 10yo would probably be OK with 12yo during the day.

2. Do we need to pay for holiday care for the youngest two/three ?

Now the work concerns

I have not formally worked for a decade, but have volunteered for a few things during this time. However I still have a working brain and I am more than capable of finding work and actually doing a job day to day.

In fact the thought of working with adults is appealing to me, to do work that matters rather than the endless grind of housework. All things being equal, I look forward to returning to work. However I was planning to wait until the youngest was in high school and my DH wants me to go back now...hence looking into practicalities now.

My main concern is that I won't be able to turn a profit. My last job was well paid, however as I need a local job and a short commute (because of health issues) there isn't much choice locally. I will likely end up in a minimum wage no promotion type job.

I need to balance this new income against one off costs (work clothes and a pair of shoes), work related costs (petrol/parking), child care costs AND taking into account the loss of child tax credits (removed at a sliding scale depending on my new income) and loss of PIP (which I suspect will be removed the moment I return to work, even though in theory PIP is not related to work, in reality it usually is)

I need this combination to come out with a positive number. Of course if I found a term time or school hours job that would be a lot easier to do, but nothing around here at the minute. So looking at full time hours jobs.

I know there will be comments about how childcare costs need to be taken out of DH's wage too. But in reality his wage already covers all monthly expenses with a tiny amount left over. Simply speaking, if my wage can't cover all my new costs plus turn a profit, it is not feasible.

My DH has ruled out evening or weekend work, as he doesn't want to be stuck in with the children whilst I work. Which is a shame, as this would be the easiest way to turn a profit. I will talk to him again, as I think this is the best solution.

Night work would be very hard for me, as I need to use my cpap machine a minimum of six hours a night in order to be compliant and keep my driving license.

So I am looking at week day work.

I am worried that my ill health will make holding a job down difficult.

My bowel disease means that I need access to a toilet at all times and that access has to be spontaneous, as I might only have a minute to get there. I can not finish a phone call or finish serving a customer, I need a job that I can excuse myself and visit the ladies as and when I need to.

It also means I have periods of a few days a month when I can't leave the bathroom in the morning and would near the flexibility to start work late on these days.

I also have a yearly review and every three years I have a colonoscopy. So would need time off for that stuff too.

I am on a medical diet to reduce IBS symptoms (in addition to my other bowel issue), which means I always have to eat my own food and need somewhere to store, reheat, eat food. This should be an easy one to sort out, as I carry my own food with me as standard.

My Under Active Thyroid requires regular blood tests and medicine updates to get my levels right. This is partially why I am so exhausted all the time. Probably only need two gp appointments every three months. One for bloods, one for results.

My hearing issues are mild, I wear aid in my hearing impaired ear but not in my deaf one, I can lipread. I find noisy environments very difficult to deal with and clearly struggle to hear at some times. But honestly this has never affected my work much.

Beyond people failing to get my attention sometimes and I prefer to confirm everything in a email to check I haven't misheard anything (which is sensible for everyone to do).

Sleep Apnoea adds to my tiredness and I use a cpap machine overnight in order to keep my driving license.

I am temporarily having balance issues, I am falling over more and dropping things a fair bit. But I am confident this will go away, maybe I need some exercises to do. I have a Neurology Appointment next month, hopefully it will rule out the nasties and I will get a sheet of exercises to strengthen my legs and grip.

My bowel disease and my hearing impairment are classed as disabilities but I don't consider myself to be disabled.

My DH thinks I am disabled and I should tell potential employers upfront and I am more likely to get a guarantee interview this way too. But I am concerned my issues would put them off employing me. However it would give me a chance to explain in person, how I am a good worker, despite a few health issues. So I am very undecided on this point.

I am unsure when/if I would tell an employee about my health issues. Before interview, after I start work, if it starts affecting my job ?

3. Do work need to know about my health issues ? If so when do you mention it ?

4. Will work allow me time off for regular medical appointments?

I am concerned that DH has made it clear that he can not help with the children's clubs, illness, homework. As he works long hours a good distance away.

In particularly I need to cover 12yo brace appointments every three months and 6yo speech therapy appointments one hour weekly.

5. Will work allow me time off for regular children medical appointments? Or how else do I get children to these appointments?

Currently there are also a beavers, cubs, dance, scouts and gymnastic evening clubs outside school. Plus a couple of after school clubs too.
I usually parent and ferry children around between 3.30pm and 8pm (latest one 9.30pm) every evening.

6. But if I work full time and need to fit homework, tea, bath in for the kids, I assume they will have to quit all these clubs. Or do I get a taxi to run them there, whilst I parent the other children ? How do other people do this ?

My DH has already said that he can not take time off to cover children illness, it is up to me to cover it all. Luckily only the 6yo is ill often and I am confident that this will improve in time. I am guessing I will need maximum 6 days a year to cover D&V bugs, hopefully a lot less.

7. Will work allow me time off when kids are ill ? What are the alternatives ?

I am concerned that I simply will not be able to cope doing everything that I do now and work 40 hours on top of it
However I know plenty of women do it and therefore there is no reason I shouldn't try.

But I am so exhausted already and I don't know how I am going find the extra energy I need. Already at home, I can not sit down from 3pm onwards as I will fall asleep, even if talking to someone or doing paperwork. The doctor said that is normal for parents, so I just have to KOKO.

Despite all these worries, if I can address all the above concerns and bring in some much needed money into the house, I would be delighted.

On the plus note, I want to earn my own money, help support our family, maybe save up for a family holiday. I want to stop living on such a tight budget, where so many things are simply beyond our means. It would be great to know that when something breaks we would have the money there to to fix it.

But what if I make everything so much worse for me and the kids. What if I work full time and bring in a small amount of money or nothing. I am worried that the kids will spend all their time alone or at school, have to cancel their clubs and not see their friends, so I can work for no profit.

I am definitely going back to work but I planned to get all the kids into high school first, to reduce child care costs. I just think with three in primary school this is going to be hard.

Any positive advice welcome.

I am feeling better now my concerns are written down. Hopefully I will get some good pointers from here and I can work down my list, eliminating my concerns.

Ps. Congratulations for reading this far !

OP posts:
Grace212 · 19/01/2019 21:26

well, it seems more than one promise didn't work out

anyway, you made this promise before health issues and also am guessing you had no idea he wouldn't be on board with you working evenings or weekends

the whole set up needs to be reviewed, he isn't doing a good job as DH or DF.

Romanov · 19/01/2019 21:37

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to leave a 10yo, 8yo and 6yo to lock up the house and walk 10 minutes to primary school together in the morning and return home together after school to wait home together but without adult supervision until a parent returns

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to get the 12yo to watch the 10yo, 8yo and 6yo all day in the school holidays whilst we both work

No - neither of these are reasonable in any way at all

My DH has ruled out evening or weekend work, as he doesn't want to be stuck in with the children whilst I work.

Well thats nice, he doesnt want to work in the evenings looking after his own DC but its ok for you to

I am concerned that DH has made it clear that he can not help with the children's clubs, illness, homework. As he works long hours a good distance away.

I see that there is a 200mile commute, is that both ways? how long does this take? how much does this cost?

My DH has already said that he can not take time off to cover children illness, it is up to me to cover it all.

Right... thats going to look fantastic in your new role

I am concerned that I simply will not be able to cope doing everything that I do now and work 40 hours on top of it
However I know plenty of women do it and therefore there is no reason I shouldn't try.

Most of those women that do this have a PARTNER - you dont, you have a husband who wants you to bring in some money, at no inconvenience to himself...

Your 'D'H is an arse

Romanov · 19/01/2019 21:38

who in hells name He works 200 miles away and away from the house 12 hours a day. I accept that he can't nip home to take a child to a club or an appointment.

what is his travel time? how does he plan to do the housework when you are working full time?

Ariela · 19/01/2019 21:40

As a a statistician, and an organised one at that, I'd suggest have a look at matched betting (there are a few topics on here). Basically you sign up to various online bookies, take advantage of their 'free' bets they offer you when you place a certain number of bets, or sign up to their account, all bets you make while matching the bet with the opposite bet on another bookies, so you always win one of the two.

Stupomax · 19/01/2019 21:45

My DH works away from home a lot and I have 3 children. I don't have your health issues which sound very challenging.

I've tried working a full time job out of the home, a part time job out of the home, and now I am a self-employed web designer and online marketer, doing some graphic design too.

Life now is so much less stressed. If the children have appointments I can just take them. During the holidays (and I'm in the US with children in two different school systems so I have children home from the end of May to the start of Sept) they do a mix of summer camps and hanging out with me. I don't have to commute, and I can arrange my work around my life.

I earnt $30k last year, and worked on average 15 hours a week. My childcare costs, other than a few summer camps that my children would have done anyway, were zero.

It took a while to build up the skills I needed, and I'm always willing to learn new skills. I really enjoy it.

Once I feel ready to work outside the home again I'll have all the skills I need to easily get a well-paid job.

I don't live in or near a big city - I just get all my work through word of mouth and people seeing the work I've done.

I'd really recommend it.

Dogsmellssobadbob · 19/01/2019 21:49

You sound rather disingenuous to me sorry

The way you write is always oh I need to do this as I promised and then a million excuses. Is clear you don’t actually want to but your family can’t afford you to be a SAHM full time so it’s not an option anymore and you need to accept that. It’s not what DH is making you do it’s what the survival of your family requires.
Staying at home is lovely but it’s a luxury.

I have UC (bowel disease) and yes it’s a PITA but so be it. Needing a job where you can get to the loo in one minute all sounds so dramatic but thousands of IBD sufferers work and find ways to manage. Ditto the thyroid blood test ffs. Book a Saturday slot and phone in for the results. You seem to think no one who works has any similar health issues and that’s nonsense.

You have had a loads of great suggestions about finding school hours or work from home and yet you still go back to posting about a 16k job 9-5 and why it will be so very hard for you.

Honestly OP I appreciate it feels hard when you have been home for so many years but if is possible you just have to think around it and be positive not consider every difficulty as a barrier.

Truth is you don’t want to make it work I think so better to be honest with yourself about that and go from there. Find something you can do at home to bring money in and contribute financially.

Llareggub · 19/01/2019 21:49

So, you claim tax credits and he commutes 400 miles round-trip for a salary that qualifies for tax credits? That's ludicrous.

He needs to get a job closer to home and pull his weight with the kids. I manage a stupid commute, am a lone parent and obviously do all the childcare stuff on top. You are deluded if you think this man really has your best interests at heart.

BinaryStar · 19/01/2019 22:02

If his job is bringing in the money and you don’t have enough, how come he isn’t making efforts to earn more?

Romanov · 19/01/2019 22:03

My bowel disease
IBS symptoms (in addition to my other bowel issue)
My Under Active Thyroid .........exhausted all the time.
My hearing issues are mild, I wear aid in my hearing impaired ear but not in my deaf one
Sleep Apnoea adds to my tiredness and I use a cpap machine overnight in order to keep my driving license.
I am temporarily having balance issues, I am falling over more and dropping things a fair bit.

and you want to add a 40 hour working week to this???

SEsofty · 19/01/2019 22:49

The alternative is that your husband earns more. If you are eligible for tax credits then he’s clearly not earning a huge amount at all.

If he had a closer job you would also save a fortune in petrol

Lellikelly26 · 19/01/2019 23:55

There are some typing jobs you can do from home. It’s not ok to leave the kids on their own, DH is completely wrong there

Pumpkintopf · 20/01/2019 00:19

It sounds like you are already working very hard creating a lovely life for your kids and husband as well as coping with your health issues.

Chances are with your restrictions on working hours etc you may not be able to find a job that allows you to turn a profit on the childcare costs. I do think your dc are too young to be left unsupervised.

Also your children definitely will have a more exhausted dm as a result of your working full time.

Honestly op, I would wait until the children are older and can be left unsupervised.

And am also unimpressed with your husband's attitude. Pushing you to work whilst refusing to take his share of childcare responsibilities?! Hmm

AryaOfWinterfell · 20/01/2019 00:30

If you’re entitled to tax credits or child benefit that sounds to me like his job doesn’t pay enough to warrant commuting that far.
In fact with what you’ve said about your past career it sounds like you could out earn your “d”h by a long shot.
If this is the case then tell him that he stops working and does all the housework and childcare whilst you go full time. I bet he doesn’t go for it.
It just sounds like he just wants you out working no matter what you earn so that you can subsidise his ridiculous commute.

LuckyLou7 · 20/01/2019 03:18

Commuting 200 miles to work? Wouldn't it be more sensible for you all to relocate nearer or for DH to get another job closer to home? Travel costs must be extortionate, not to mention travelling time.

Romanov · 20/01/2019 08:01

So, how much does his commute cost?
And how much does he earn?

BeOurGuest · 20/01/2019 08:02

OP has already said her husband claims that getting a local job that doesn’t involve commuting 400miles “won’t help” the situation.

damnitdamnit · 20/01/2019 08:03

Have you thought of going back to studying? University do provides loans to cover childcare/living costs as well as fees and will help in retraining.

BackToWorkAgain · 20/01/2019 08:45

damnitdamnit I have a degree in computer science, many years ago !

I could do with updating my skills but I am not eligible to even get a grant for basic college courses and we don't have money to spare to pay for one. I was looking last year to do a payroll type course, which thought might be helpful.

OP posts:
BackToWorkAgain · 20/01/2019 08:48

BeOurGuest DH said we can not move as we don't have enough equity to afford the move.

OP posts:
rubymaster · 20/01/2019 08:54

If you have a computer science degree, could you consider doing a coding boot camp or getting into software development? There are lots of work from home and flexible opportunities in that industry as the demand is so high for it.

BackToWorkAgain · 20/01/2019 08:59

Committing distance is only 120 miles (I looked on google maps to check) that is traveling, there and back.
It costs us a tank of diesel a week and an average journey time of 1.5 to 2 hours at both ends of the work day.

Frequent accidents on the motorway lead to longer than expected journey times, which means we can not be sure DH will be back at a certain time.

OP posts:
Littletabbyocelot · 20/01/2019 09:00

There is student loan funding for masters and PhD courses now.

Sewrainbow · 20/01/2019 09:03

You MUST have childcare, no way can children of those ages fend for themselves. It certainly isn't right if the eldest is a nervous child their mental health will be ruined.

howtotrainyourdragqueen · 20/01/2019 09:04

Did you post earlier in the week OP?

I recall another thread about going to back to work with 4 kids...

How exactly is he travelling 200 miles to work? That would take 4 hours EACH WAY.

8 hours commuting? Does he actually do any work on arrival? Hmm

rainbowbash · 20/01/2019 09:07

ruby, if the OP did a degree over a decade ago and has been out of work since, it won't account for much anymore!