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BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 12:06

Warning extremely long post

I had a couple of career jobs in my 20's. Stayed at home in my 30's raising our family. Now in my 40's it is time to work again.

I have some concerns about returning to work and a couple of questions regarding child care.

Child care questions first.

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to leave a 10yo, 8yo and 6yo to lock up the house and walk 10 minutes to primary school together in the morning and return home together after school to wait home together but without adult supervision until a parent returns. They already do this walk with me daily. 8yo and 10yo sometimes walk back from school on their own.

I think we would have to pay for school wrap around care for all three children. As 6yo and 8yo are too young to be on their own and the 10yo is very anxious child and gets very frightened if they are ever left alone, even to sleep or visit the bathroom.

1. Do we need to pay for wrap around school care for the three younger children ?

My DH thinks it would be reasonable to get the 12yo to watch the 10yo, 8yo and 6yo all day in the school holidays whilst we both work. 12yo would also have to serve a simple cold lunch and get snacks and drinks out.

I think we would have to pay for holiday care for the youngest two at the very minimum. As 10yo would probably be OK with 12yo during the day.

2. Do we need to pay for holiday care for the youngest two/three ?

Now the work concerns

I have not formally worked for a decade, but have volunteered for a few things during this time. However I still have a working brain and I am more than capable of finding work and actually doing a job day to day.

In fact the thought of working with adults is appealing to me, to do work that matters rather than the endless grind of housework. All things being equal, I look forward to returning to work. However I was planning to wait until the youngest was in high school and my DH wants me to go back now...hence looking into practicalities now.

My main concern is that I won't be able to turn a profit. My last job was well paid, however as I need a local job and a short commute (because of health issues) there isn't much choice locally. I will likely end up in a minimum wage no promotion type job.

I need to balance this new income against one off costs (work clothes and a pair of shoes), work related costs (petrol/parking), child care costs AND taking into account the loss of child tax credits (removed at a sliding scale depending on my new income) and loss of PIP (which I suspect will be removed the moment I return to work, even though in theory PIP is not related to work, in reality it usually is)

I need this combination to come out with a positive number. Of course if I found a term time or school hours job that would be a lot easier to do, but nothing around here at the minute. So looking at full time hours jobs.

I know there will be comments about how childcare costs need to be taken out of DH's wage too. But in reality his wage already covers all monthly expenses with a tiny amount left over. Simply speaking, if my wage can't cover all my new costs plus turn a profit, it is not feasible.

My DH has ruled out evening or weekend work, as he doesn't want to be stuck in with the children whilst I work. Which is a shame, as this would be the easiest way to turn a profit. I will talk to him again, as I think this is the best solution.

Night work would be very hard for me, as I need to use my cpap machine a minimum of six hours a night in order to be compliant and keep my driving license.

So I am looking at week day work.

I am worried that my ill health will make holding a job down difficult.

My bowel disease means that I need access to a toilet at all times and that access has to be spontaneous, as I might only have a minute to get there. I can not finish a phone call or finish serving a customer, I need a job that I can excuse myself and visit the ladies as and when I need to.

It also means I have periods of a few days a month when I can't leave the bathroom in the morning and would near the flexibility to start work late on these days.

I also have a yearly review and every three years I have a colonoscopy. So would need time off for that stuff too.

I am on a medical diet to reduce IBS symptoms (in addition to my other bowel issue), which means I always have to eat my own food and need somewhere to store, reheat, eat food. This should be an easy one to sort out, as I carry my own food with me as standard.

My Under Active Thyroid requires regular blood tests and medicine updates to get my levels right. This is partially why I am so exhausted all the time. Probably only need two gp appointments every three months. One for bloods, one for results.

My hearing issues are mild, I wear aid in my hearing impaired ear but not in my deaf one, I can lipread. I find noisy environments very difficult to deal with and clearly struggle to hear at some times. But honestly this has never affected my work much.

Beyond people failing to get my attention sometimes and I prefer to confirm everything in a email to check I haven't misheard anything (which is sensible for everyone to do).

Sleep Apnoea adds to my tiredness and I use a cpap machine overnight in order to keep my driving license.

I am temporarily having balance issues, I am falling over more and dropping things a fair bit. But I am confident this will go away, maybe I need some exercises to do. I have a Neurology Appointment next month, hopefully it will rule out the nasties and I will get a sheet of exercises to strengthen my legs and grip.

My bowel disease and my hearing impairment are classed as disabilities but I don't consider myself to be disabled.

My DH thinks I am disabled and I should tell potential employers upfront and I am more likely to get a guarantee interview this way too. But I am concerned my issues would put them off employing me. However it would give me a chance to explain in person, how I am a good worker, despite a few health issues. So I am very undecided on this point.

I am unsure when/if I would tell an employee about my health issues. Before interview, after I start work, if it starts affecting my job ?

3. Do work need to know about my health issues ? If so when do you mention it ?

4. Will work allow me time off for regular medical appointments?

I am concerned that DH has made it clear that he can not help with the children's clubs, illness, homework. As he works long hours a good distance away.

In particularly I need to cover 12yo brace appointments every three months and 6yo speech therapy appointments one hour weekly.

5. Will work allow me time off for regular children medical appointments? Or how else do I get children to these appointments?

Currently there are also a beavers, cubs, dance, scouts and gymnastic evening clubs outside school. Plus a couple of after school clubs too.
I usually parent and ferry children around between 3.30pm and 8pm (latest one 9.30pm) every evening.

6. But if I work full time and need to fit homework, tea, bath in for the kids, I assume they will have to quit all these clubs. Or do I get a taxi to run them there, whilst I parent the other children ? How do other people do this ?

My DH has already said that he can not take time off to cover children illness, it is up to me to cover it all. Luckily only the 6yo is ill often and I am confident that this will improve in time. I am guessing I will need maximum 6 days a year to cover D&V bugs, hopefully a lot less.

7. Will work allow me time off when kids are ill ? What are the alternatives ?

I am concerned that I simply will not be able to cope doing everything that I do now and work 40 hours on top of it
However I know plenty of women do it and therefore there is no reason I shouldn't try.

But I am so exhausted already and I don't know how I am going find the extra energy I need. Already at home, I can not sit down from 3pm onwards as I will fall asleep, even if talking to someone or doing paperwork. The doctor said that is normal for parents, so I just have to KOKO.

Despite all these worries, if I can address all the above concerns and bring in some much needed money into the house, I would be delighted.

On the plus note, I want to earn my own money, help support our family, maybe save up for a family holiday. I want to stop living on such a tight budget, where so many things are simply beyond our means. It would be great to know that when something breaks we would have the money there to to fix it.

But what if I make everything so much worse for me and the kids. What if I work full time and bring in a small amount of money or nothing. I am worried that the kids will spend all their time alone or at school, have to cancel their clubs and not see their friends, so I can work for no profit.

I am definitely going back to work but I planned to get all the kids into high school first, to reduce child care costs. I just think with three in primary school this is going to be hard.

Any positive advice welcome.

I am feeling better now my concerns are written down. Hopefully I will get some good pointers from here and I can work down my list, eliminating my concerns.

Ps. Congratulations for reading this far !

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Chwaraeteg · 19/01/2019 14:26

It sounds like your dp really, really doesn't want you to work and is putting every barrier on place he possibly can to stop you.

The younger 3 will definitely need child care / after school clubs (which will mean quitting other activities). You absolutely can't leave the 12 year old to look after the others or leave them to walk to school alone Shock You dp needs to accept that he will sometimes have to take time off for children's sickness and help out more at home.

You should be able to get reasonable adjustments made for any long term illness.

Your dp sounds like he has had things too easy for too long.

BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 14:35

Chwaraeteg
He really wants me to work, he just sees things differently than I do, regarding the child care issues.

But yes, he had had it easy, as far as home life goes. We both have found it easier have one role each. If it wasn't for the total lack of money, I think this division of labour can work for some families.

I am thinking about moving again...interesting idea.
We use to live close to DH's job but moved to be close to our parents, DH planned to find a more local job but his work were reluctant to lose him and he ended up promoted at his original job and commuting.

I guess we could move back...though it would cost a lot to buy another house. But it would save a lot of traveling costs for DH. I would miss my friends and family here but we have to do what is right for us all.

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maddiemookins16mum · 19/01/2019 14:44

Sounds like an au pair (if you have the room) would be great for you.

LordEmsworth · 19/01/2019 14:51

he just sees things differently than I do, regarding the child care issues

Yes, very differently.

he doesn't want to be stuck in with the children whilst I work

I could cry reading that. What kind of parent sees their children as something they are stuck with?

see if we can find the best path for our family together

You are pretty much on your own with that, aren't you?

Smoggle · 19/01/2019 14:58

You need childcare for the primary aged children.
Where I am this would be £3 each for breakfast club, £10 each for after school club - that provides childcare 7.45am-6pm.
Holiday club is £25 each per day but only runs 8.30am-5pm.
So based on 38 weeks term time and 6 weeks summer holidays you're looking at a shade under £10k on childcare.

You will need to be able to earn a good amount after tax and travel to make a profit.

BeOurGuest · 19/01/2019 14:58

If I’m being fair to your husband, 200miles of commuting is RIDICULOUS. I am astounded he can manage that 5days a week. Your lives would be so much easier if you relocated and he got home earlier which would mean he could help with the kids more.

Smoggle · 19/01/2019 15:04

How much do you actually need to earn?

I would look at doing a few different things - Avon, take in ironing, proof reading - to earn a bit extra.

Smoggle · 19/01/2019 15:08

Do you have a spare room? Or can you move your children in together?

If you are within about an hour of a boarding school you can host international boarders who don't go back to Russia/Hong Kong for weekends or half terms - it pays quite well.
If you are near any language schools you can also host teen/adult students in term times.

BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 15:21

We have no spare room, 3 bedroom and 6 people in our family...We are full yo the rafters.

I just mentioned the idea of moving closer to his work to DH...But he does not think that would help ! Which surprises me.

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BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 15:24

How much do you actually need to earn?
I don't know. I have tried to pin DH to a figure but he just wants me in a full time week day job. But he also agrees if it doesn't turn a profit, there is no point. We both agree to that point.

The problem is if I earn very small amounts of money, it will just get taken off my child tax money and we are not any better off over all.

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BeOurGuest · 19/01/2019 15:26

Ok that confirms it for me. If he is now saying that moving closer to his work won’t help then it DEFINITELY sounds like he doesn’t want to help you with the kids in any way. How much time does he spend commuting a day? 3hours? 4? So in no way shape or form would it not help.

BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 15:28

Back to the weekend work idea
The next village along has some pub work which might work.

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BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 15:30

BeOurGuest To be honest his second objection was lack of equity, we can't afford to move. So moving is not an option.

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HollaHolla · 19/01/2019 15:35

I think you’re going to struggle to find something that suits all of your caveats - your health issues; children’s appointments; children’s clubs; children’s illness; wraparound care. It sounds very challenging for you. But really - your husband needs to realise that these kids belong to you both - not just you - and to make adjustments in life accordingly.
At the moment, he gets it all his own way, with no adjustments to his lifestyle. So, I’d agree, it’s a husband problem which is your biggest issue....

ecuse · 19/01/2019 15:36

You have advanced stats, web and clerical skills, and multiple health issues. You look after 4 kids all week. Weekend pub work sounds like a TERRIBLE idea?!

Agree now you've said what you can do that freelancing would be the best way to go. 100% you should explore this first. You can set your own hours around medical appointments and beavers, minimise childcare costs and have the flexibility of going to the look etc when you need to.

Definitely explore that before you start looking for pub work! Get on LinkedIn, look up your old contacts, go for some coffees and see what's out there!

Shitmewithyourrhythmstick · 19/01/2019 15:51

Your DH might be your soulmate, but he's a fucking moron. There isn't a chance in hell you're going to be able to sustain full time work with all that to do. And your 12 year old being responsible for more childcare than him? That'll be a no.

That said, I think it'd be a good idea for you to look into freelance home based stuff using your skillset. In your shoes I would want to work, it's just utterly thick to think that full time employee work is going to be sufficiently doable to turn a profit in your situation.

TheABC · 19/01/2019 15:55

I agree - look into freelancing. I am doing this now as childcare costs for two children under 5 were more than my working wage at the time. It has its own stresses, but you can work school hours and weekends if necessary. However, you will need provision in place for the holidays, which is expensive. You DH will have to step up.

One other option to consider could be childminding if you feel that is not too much. I know a few ladies who do term time only work - literally picks and drop offs. If you have the room and like kids,this might be another way forward.

Smoggle · 19/01/2019 16:11

You would need medical clearance to become a childminder though.

SEsofty · 19/01/2019 16:21

What do you mean child tax money??

Do you mean child benefit in which case second income isn’t considered unless over £50k or do you mean child tax credit?

If the later then you might be eligible for additional help with childcare costs

greenberet · 19/01/2019 16:21

op has your Dh ever helped out with the kids housework or has it always been your responsibility

How do you spend your time at the weekend as a family? Does he take kids to activities etc

If he was your soulmate I would expect him to be far more understanding than it appears he is - yes he may be working long hours but does he clock off when he gets home or is he too tired

4 kids is a huge amount of work without added health complications - do you get help support from your friends and family nearby - If you were to move back nearer to his work would you have this support there?

Good luck op difficult time

greenberet · 19/01/2019 16:27

Also you mentioned falling over - do you currently feel stressed by your financial situation - you’re posts do not reveal? Does your health condition become worse with stress and had this worsened.

I was very very stressed recently and was falling over - over nothing and ended up flat on my face/ back - just had to undergo more recent back surgery for disc - I always thought I had a strong back not sure if I damaged something falling over or what but had no back troubles ever prior to this!

Damia · 19/01/2019 16:42

You mentioned being on pip do you get esa?

BalloonSlayer · 19/01/2019 16:57

He sounds like one of those people (and they are usually men IME, sorry, don't mean to be sexist) that have some harebrained idea and then proclaim it from the rooftops "Let it be so! I have spoken!", and expect their minions to make it happen.

If any of the minions dare to say that the idea just won't work because x, y or z, they get told they are being negative, lazy, not trying hard enough etc. They have no intention of putting any work in themselves towards making the idea work. They've done their work - having the idea!

Slow handclap for the man who who had the idea of his disabled-enough-to-get-PIP wife working full time with his share of the childcare delegated to 10 and 12 year old children.

BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 17:19

Damia As DH works full time, I won't be eligible for benefits, will I ?

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BackToWorkAgain · 19/01/2019 17:21

BalloonSlayer
DH just wants me to do what I promised and I will try my best to do that.

He honestly feels that if we had more money coming in, will sort out everything else. I hope he is right.

What I need to do is check the festibility and the additional costs and yes, he will have to do more at home.

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