To think Brexit could make the country safer with better punishments

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Disclosure, I voted remain but today this story broke the camel's back as it were:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6608935/Ex-Westminster-public-schoolboy-strapped-naked-frame-caned-24-times.html#article-6608935

A British lad dealt drugs to his friends while in Singapore and now he's going to get 24 lashes while tied down. People in the comments say that Singapore is one of the safest countries in the world because people there are scared of the effective punishments.

So I'm starting to think one side benefit of leaving the EU is that we won't have to explain ourselves to anyone else if we decide to reintroduce similarly effective punishments?

Obviously people would need to support it but polls up until recently showed a slim majority in the UK supporting the death penalty for certain criminals so we could hold a referendum on these types of things.

An excellent argument for staying in the EU. Well done OP, would you like to bring back hanging while you're at it?

Piggywaspushed

Thanks, yes, what the data proves in the US is those states with the death penalty have the worst murder rate.

Also the states with the strict gun control laws are the states with the worst gun crime

I think this has to be one of the most stupid threads I've even seen.

Apologies backwoods

Gilead

No problem.

Dear Goodness at the "in the daily mail" comment.
So lets bring back hanging, smacking and public smoking, kick out anyone not white and British, drown migrants, ban Islam and privatise the NHS.

Condoning physical punishment is surely not something to aspire to :( Is this a joke.

Wasn't there a piece of research last year that showed a very high correlation between people who voted leave and people who supported the death penalty?

Yes, it was a better indicator than age, I think.

YABVVVU OP and I voted Leave (but not so we can become Singapore)

BTW - we'll remain signatories to the ECHR so we won't be introducing the death penalty (thankfully) or any other daft shite when (if) we actually leave the EU. They are not the same thing and the EU isn't stopping us, it's the fact that we're a civilised nation and members of the ECHR and other agreements.

Wasn't there a piece of research last year that showed a very high correlation between people who voted leave and people who supported the death penalty?

No doubt - I am the exception to that rue though, as well as being educated and in favour of leave, but don't let any of that get in the way of sneering statistics about "my type".

OP were you previously unaware that caning is a punishment metered out in Singapore? Got to be honest that although I'm all in favour of stiff punishment for certain crimes, it's the first time that I've heard anyone consider it as a turning point for their opinion on brexit. I would be very surprised if we ever adopt it.

No doubt - I am the exception to that rue though, as well as being educated and in favour of leave, but don't let any of that get in the way of sneering statistics about "my type

It’s only a correlation, no need to get so defensive about it.

What a horrific suggestion :( Why would you want to regress to such barbaric measures. I love living in England and am proud of being British but genuinely am not sure I could stay here if physical abusive punishments were re-introduced :( Even thinking about the possibility has upset me!

Oh bloody hell.

Assuming you're genuine, if you want to tackle crime to make a country safer, you need to fund the police, education and social cohesion.

Guess what the Tories have consistently defunded over the past 30-ish years and the last 8 in particular? It's got sod all to do with the EU. Fuck's sake.

It’s only a correlation, no need to get so defensive about it.

No need to tell me how to react either - stuff your instructions.

It doesn't matter if it's erudite or not, ultimately the majority is right by definition and it is the most popular paper both online and off.

Nope, wrong - The Majority can be 100% wrong despite being the majority.

Evil, wrongdoing, injustice. All of these have all been carried out by "The majority" around the world.

No need to tell me how to react either - stuff your instructions

Touchy much?

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It doesn't matter if it's erudite or not, ultimately the majority is right by definition and it is the most popular paper both online and off.

Bloody hell, this is a scary statement.

Might as well go full on hunger games

A good social care system, good mental health care, addiction support, projects which address wealth inequality such as sure start centres, free education etc etc these things actually reduce crime.
These are not things the Tory party are going to prioritise and they will be free to prioritise them even less when we leave the EU.
Harsher punishment does absolutely nothing. Anyone with half a brain could tell you that. Just like beating the shit out of your kids wont jaje them grow up to be kind, non violent people.

Europe don't make our laws! Stop reading the Daily Mail ffs

Nobody was ever deterred from committing a crime by punishment. It's the certainty of punishment that deters. You can bring back hanging for dropping litter but it won't have any effect unless there is a properly staffed and funded police service to enforce the law. Forget punishment, restore police funding and staffing levels is the real answer.

Of course the people supporting the punishment are being up voted the most. It's the daily fucking mail.

And the award for most ridiculous OP goes to....

You've employed some very strange logic OP in this thread