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To think Brexit could make the country safer with better punishments

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TerriTummyTowels · 19/01/2019 10:10

Disclosure, I voted remain but today this story broke the camel's back as it were:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6608935/Ex-Westminster-public-schoolboy-strapped-naked-frame-caned-24-times.html#article-6608935

A British lad dealt drugs to his friends while in Singapore and now he's going to get 24 lashes while tied down. People in the comments say that Singapore is one of the safest countries in the world because people there are scared of the effective punishments.

So I'm starting to think one side benefit of leaving the EU is that we won't have to explain ourselves to anyone else if we decide to reintroduce similarly effective punishments?

Obviously people would need to support it but polls up until recently showed a slim majority in the UK supporting the death penalty for certain criminals so we could hold a referendum on these types of things.

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SleightOfMind · 19/01/2019 10:54

You think Brexit will be great because we can bring back the lash?

ElvisParsley · 19/01/2019 10:56

Great idea! What next? Looping hands off for theft?

You read a right wing rag and are amazed that the fascists who also read it think that corporal punishment is a good thing?!

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BarbarianMum · 19/01/2019 10:57

Its interesting but most people who support things like whipping never seem to want them to apply to the sort of crimes they're likely to commit . Not much support for it for tax evasion, white collar crime or speeding for example.

Greensleeves · 19/01/2019 10:58

Have you any idea what judicial caning in Singapore entails? This will most likely kill or permanently disable him.

I'm not clicking on your disgusting link, but if this is actually a real, current case, I hope our government is doing everything possible to intervene for the poor sod.

And what the fuck has it got to do with Brexit Confused

PatPhoenix · 19/01/2019 10:59

It's so effective that they keep having to do it. Eh? If it was that effective surely they'd never use the punishment?

They 'only' flog men between 18 and 50. Ergo all the dealers would force/employ female mules and threaten their children to get them to keep schtum.

Why are so many so determined to make this country so horrific.

Shitmewithyourrhythmstick · 19/01/2019 11:01

This has absolutely nothing to do with EU membership, so YABU. You might perhaps be thinking of the European Convention on Human Rights, which predates our EEA membership and which we're not leaving. Vital not to mix the two up. Although we'd also got rid of that before we joined the ECHR, so it's still a really stupid point even if that is what you meant.

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 19/01/2019 11:02

Jesus Christ, if the only 'silver lining' in the whole Brexit debacle is that some Daily Mail readers are excited at the prospect of bringing back public flogging then it really is a sorry state of affairs, isn't it?

Dotty1970 · 19/01/2019 11:03

Omg, I want to write an intelligent answer but I can't, I must say though I agree with the majority of the answers but couldn't copy and paste them all as too many good answers..... you listen to the dm? Jesus christ! you come across as a complete prat, go back to bed and have a good sleep

SerenDippitty · 19/01/2019 11:04

Leaving the EU won’t mean we are no longer signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights. That is a Council of Europe convention. The Council Of Europe was founded in 1949 long before the EU.

Moussemoose · 19/01/2019 11:04

We will remain in the ECHR so we won't be able to lash people.

Good grief do people really want to go back 150 years?

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 19/01/2019 11:04

Yes.

We'll have a proper British Naughty Corner.

Dotty1970 · 19/01/2019 11:04

Is people like you that voted us to leave..... We have no hope

Moussemoose · 19/01/2019 11:06

What depresses the hell out of me is all the Brexit supporters reading this and thinking "wow that's a good plan"

Please leave supporters come on and tell me this isn't what you want.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 19/01/2019 11:06

Sorry yabu this is quite ill thought out. They have the death penalty in America. Doesn't stop people shooting each other every day.

And punishment is decided by law. The catching of criminals is still done by the police. Even if we had the harshest punishments in the world, the police force has been destroyed by austerity cuts and there is still no one to catch or process or charge them

Crime is a really complex thing mainly driven by economic and social factors such as poverty, lack of opportunities, lack of education, lack of jobs. All of which Brexit is expected to make worse at least in the short term

YABU to think such a complex issue can be sorted out by Brexit bringing back physical punishment

HowardSpring · 19/01/2019 11:06

Agree that is a question of being caught. At the moment you are more likely to be pilloried for being "racist" or "sexist" or "abusive" by saying one wrong word in public than if you mug old ladies in the street, beat up pensioners for their savings, steal cars, commit insurance fraud, scam people for thousands or smash up their property.

It is a reasonable career choice for some people it seems.

Quartz2208 · 19/01/2019 11:08

As others have said the ECHR and Council of Europe are very separate from the EU.
Indeed if you look at who started the process of the ECHR and was a driving force daily mail readers might be surprised because it wasn’t France it wasn’t Germany it wasn’t the left. It was Winston Churchill in the aftermath of the 2WW.

HowardSpring · 19/01/2019 11:08

And this has nothign to do with Brexit but is an austerity thing as PPs have said. And the ease of the "virtual lynch mobs" who can cause you to lose a job and be ostracised by society because you said something they didn't like.

Quartz2208 · 19/01/2019 11:09

Also it’s very close to Sharia Law something I thought Brexiteers also hated?

EspressoButler · 19/01/2019 11:09

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JacquesHammer · 19/01/2019 11:09

if you look at the comments on the daily mail’

Are you really offering this source as the last bastion of reasonable and erudite thought 🙄

Thesearmsofmine · 19/01/2019 11:11

It sickens me that people think like this. Shall we start stoning people to death too?

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TerriTummyTowels · 19/01/2019 11:13

Are you really offering this source as the last bastion of reasonable and erudite thought

It doesn't matter if it's erudite or not, ultimately the majority is right by definition and it is the most popular paper both online and off.

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HowardSpring · 19/01/2019 11:13

We do have to look at the values that society lives by as they determine the levels of crime. Those values have changed drastically in the last few years so how we define and deal with crime also has to change.

Piggywaspushed · 19/01/2019 11:15

Bit confused OP,as this is what you posted on another thread:

Oh believe me, nonsense like debating the death penalty is going to happen in parliament within 5 years the way things are going. The nutters are taking over "democracy".

This either makes you a) very confused b) a 'nutter' or c) a shit stirrer.

I vote C.

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TerriTummyTowels · 19/01/2019 11:17

As I said in the first part of this thread it's this story that made me change my mind. It seems Singapore is indeed one of the safest places in the world and they have these sorts of punishments we also used to have here. I think safety and justice is more important than the morality here so I am in the middle of changing my mind. That is why I asked AIBU because if I had decided 100% then I wouldn't be asking would I??

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