To think Brexit could make the country safer with better punishments

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Disclosure, I voted remain but today this story broke the camel's back as it were:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6608935/Ex-Westminster-public-schoolboy-strapped-naked-frame-caned-24-times.html#article-6608935

A British lad dealt drugs to his friends while in Singapore and now he's going to get 24 lashes while tied down. People in the comments say that Singapore is one of the safest countries in the world because people there are scared of the effective punishments.

So I'm starting to think one side benefit of leaving the EU is that we won't have to explain ourselves to anyone else if we decide to reintroduce similarly effective punishments?

Obviously people would need to support it but polls up until recently showed a slim majority in the UK supporting the death penalty for certain criminals so we could hold a referendum on these types of things.

It doesn't matter if it's erudite or not, ultimately the majority is right by definition and it is the most popular paper both online and off

The majority of the Nazi party hated Jews, does that make it right?
The majority of white South Africans allowed apartheid, does that make it right?
The majority of governments in middle eastern countries believe homosexuality is a punishable offence, does that make it right?

I’m not even going to waste a cookie on you.

You realise that the European Union and the European convention on Human Rights are completely separate institutions? Honestly, this level of ignorance of basic facts shows we should never have had the bloody ref in the first place

This!

If there was a referendum I best most people would vote for the death penalty. It will never be brought back, regardless of what legal institutions we belong to. Sometimes, “the people” don’t know what’s best, as Brexit has already shown

I despair. I really do.

But when there’s a POTUS who supports waterboarding what hope do we have?

Gilead

I am sure the most populated states have the higher crime rate. If you remove NYC, Chicago, LA and New Orleans from the stats the US is one of the safest countries.

So we ignore all the research that shows using physical punishments increases violent crime?

Australian prisons were once violent places and criminals who went in on theft offences would come out and commit violent crimes. I use that example because its a modern day, well documented one.

Likewise were they have the toughest penal systems and the death penalty, has the highest muder/violent crime rates.

However Singapore and Asian Countries, crime rates seemed to be more about Culture, which we can't emulate.

I am sure the most populated states have the higher crime rate. If you remove NYC, Chicago, LA and New Orleans from the stats the US is one of the safest countries.
So, Backwoods, if you remove a few states, some of which are bigger than the UK, it's safer. That doesn't really make much sense does it.
Oh, and safer? We have no school shootings here...

To be fair, I think backwoods is on our side. She is arguing that the states without capital punsihment are safer states, on the whole. The ones who use it tend to have the higher violent crime stats. It's a useful argument.

When Vlad Tepes "Dracula" (Vlad the Impaler) was the ruler of Vallachia, the country was so safe! The people were too afraid to steal, to rape... Just saying

OP - why don’t you go and live in Singapore if you like it so much?!

“OP - why don’t you go and live in Singapore if you like it so much?”

Good point, but poor Singapore if they have to endure a wave of DM Migrants.

It was British colonial rule that introduced brutal flogging into the system in tne first place.

Flogging? Really?

'If you look at the comments on the daily mail the people supporting this view point are being up voted the most so there must be an appetite for it'

That's laughable, upvotes among Daily Mail readers? They upvote the most awful, bigoted crap. What the right wing trash papers want does not equal a national appetite for something.

Also, an awful lot of online DM comments come from the US.

... and the DM may well have the largest readership (and, actaully, that's not even correct)... but this is not 'the majority' of British people! Its current readership is measured at about 1.2 million , which is actually a decline.

Estimates are that, including online readers, it may garner 23m readers over an entire month.

"Op- why dont you go and live in Si gapore if you like it so much?"

Oh the irony. Maybe because it's not actually a colony any more and being British no longer means you can rock up and move in just because you fucking fancy it?

Do you work for the DM?

Someone please wake me up when the UK is finally over its unsightly nervous breakdown.

If you look at the comments on the daily mail the people supporting this view point are being up voted the most and I’m out 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Wondering if the OP has been at the cooking sherry.

Put it down dear.

The birch this week, hanging last week. I despair I really do. I don't want to breathe the same air as some people.

Maybe in Brexitannia all new proposed laws can be decided yay or nay by the Daily Mail comments section. Seems eminently sensible.

Death penalty will be straight back in.
Meghan Markle will be thrown in the Tower.
Women will know their place.
The Costa Del Sol will be invaded and declared part of Brexitannia

And everyone who does not appear to be of white European ethnicity will be declared, er, European and told to leave.

Commonwealth, what's that?

Yes I think the death penalty should be bought back for certain crimes. Anybody want to live next door to a child murders???
I also advocate stronger punishments and harder jails. We have become far to soft of criminals and there is zero deterrent to stop people committing crime.
For all you who say the US has the death penalty, they also have rampant gun ownership! I've been the Singapore and the most Middle Eastern countries. They are amongst the safest countries I've ever been too and have always felt 100% safe in them.

Stupid thread. Punishment of offenders is a matter for national governments. Nothing to do with the EU so nothing to do with Brexit. OP, do you even understand what the EU is?!

Wtf has Singaporean punishment got to do with Brexit? Nothing.

Maybe this thread should be moved to the Brexit Board if you think it does; it's quite lively over there OP and I'm sure you'll find some that will just gnash their little teeth into your idea and run with it - in 2 opposite directions.