To think Brexit could make the country safer with better punishments

[TerriTummyTowels]

Disclosure, I voted remain but today this story broke the camel's back as it were:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6608935/Ex-Westminster-public-schoolboy-strapped-naked-frame-caned-24-times.html#article-6608935

A British lad dealt drugs to his friends while in Singapore and now he's going to get 24 lashes while tied down. People in the comments say that Singapore is one of the safest countries in the world because people there are scared of the effective punishments.

So I'm starting to think one side benefit of leaving the EU is that we won't have to explain ourselves to anyone else if we decide to reintroduce similarly effective punishments?

Obviously people would need to support it but polls up until recently showed a slim majority in the UK supporting the death penalty for certain criminals so we could hold a referendum on these types of things.

You realise that the European Union and the European convention on Human Rights are completely separate institutions? Honestly, this level of ignorance of basic facts shows we should never have had the bloody ref in the first place

I vote C too!

You change your mind extraordinarly quickly then.

The DM will love this. One inflammatory story and -bingo - you love a bit of human rights contravention.

PS - Not checked recently but don't think it is much fun to be gay in Singapore.

Two friends had to leave it as their home country in order to live their lives freely

I do not want to live in a country where the state beats up or tortures its citizens. How can anyone consider that to be safer?

Genuinley, you think we had naked lashings in this country once? When?? I am not even sure we did in the Dark Ages.

And, if we did, we could ahrdly call feudal society harmonious and lawless.

ultimately the majority is right by definition

No, nope, that's wrong, no it's not, incorrect, and don't be fucking stupid.

I have always thought that one of the best arguments against referendums is that if we had one on the death penalty, we the public would almost certainly vote to bring it back.

If we leave the EU without a deal, the European Arrest Warrant may go, and so drug dealers may find it easier to escape justice. Those of my age and older will recall alleged criminals moving to Spain to escape justice in the UK.

Op I cannot believe this is true. I e I feel someone would write this to scare us into the possible lawlessness and chaos that could ensue post brexit.

Thankfully I remind myself that the UK is one of the world's leading lights now (still needs to improve) on basic human rights, humanity and fairness. And we managed that all on our own through centuries of long history.

Jesus Christ. Are you honestly seeing that as a good thing?

This country will never reintroduce barbaric and ineffective corporal or capital punishment. Human rights are too deeply embedded now, thank god.

What a foul post!

Me too Fifthtimelucky

Brutal punishments sound like the answer to everything whilst you consider yourself the perfect citizen - but when it is your son that goes off the rails a bit and gets caught drinking in a public place, your DH who has been falsley accused of fraud at work, your DD who drove through a red light while worrying about her exams, you yourself who forget to pay for one of the items in the supermarket because you absent mindedly put it in the bottom of the pram rather than the basket.... then it is not such a good idea is it?

You also have to be in a position of extreme privilege to consider Singapore ‘safe’.

Singapore offers very limited free speech and freedom of the press. Migrant workers are offered almost no protection in law, and are often employed in a form of indentured servitude. It’s illegal to be gay. The government practices mass surveillance.

But it’s ‘safe’ because they cane drug dealers. Nice and simplistic, eh.

Great idea! Perhaps the UK can also bring back Chastity belts for unmarried women and a set of stocks in each town centre so that "dishonourable" women can be pelted with avocados and oranges when they eventually arrive through the expected port delays?

No, harsher punishment doesn't reduce crime. Just look at the US - it has the death penalty and a far higher murder rate than the UK.

Not all states have the death penalty. It’s primarily a southern thing. My state doesn’t have the death penalty and it’s murder rate is far lower than the UK......in fact 32 states have a murder rate lower than the UK.

Terri you are the reason the government will never go to the country with a referendum on this. They know that idiots like you exist.

Backwoodsgirl How much of that is to do with population, though?

Glad to hear you're looking forward to a brave new post-Brexit world of state-sanctioned torture, OP. I can't really get behind the idea of beating naked people until their skin breaks and their subcutaneous fat disintegrates into pulp, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Of course, nobody was ever wrongly accused and convicted of a crime. This literally never happens. It could never happen to you, or to a member of your family.

There will always be crime, including heinous, appalling crimes against innocent adults and children. A civilised society does not resort to torture to counter this type of crime, let alone crimes such as small-scale drug-dealing. Your attitude is repellent.

EU membership is irrelevant- this is governed by the ECHR, as previous posters have pointed out.

The UK has always had control over justice and home affairs due to the opt-outs negotiated by previous governments.

The majority are NOT right by definition.

Public lynchings of young black men used to be overwhelmingly popular, it doesn’t make it right.

Women were refused the vote for hundreds of years because of majority opinion, it doesn’t make it right.

Engage brain before opening mouth.

America has the death penalty and a ridiculous high murder rate per capita.

If harsh punishments actually worked everyone's would use them.

More, better funded police through investment in public services is the answer, not going back two centuries! Brexit is so expensive it'll be like the wild west out here (And guess what, with the government's relentless cuts it's already heading that way). Brexit will make that and every other issue we're facing in this country WORSE.

ultimately the majority is right by definition

Wow. Yeah. Good luck with that.