'Everybody has a heart. Except some people,' Trump thread 90.

[lionheart]

From Bette Davis, who was too canny to name names.

Here is the old thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3458456-Shutdowns-military-pullouts-and-resignations-it-s-Christmas-and-Trump-thread-89?watched=1&msgid=84240445#84240445

What on earth does "(made during the Shutdown, security is no problem)" mean?

Michael Isikoff
Michael Isikoff
@Isikoff
New: Giuliani tells
@MeetThePress
Trump’s conversations with Cohn went on “throughout 2016 - probably up to October or November.”

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
This is news. Rudy Giuliani again says that conversations between Trump and Michael Cohen about the Trump Tower Moscow project continued past the June 2016 end date in Cohen's guilty plea.

"Probably up to— could be up to as far as October, November."

www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/giuliani-trump-tower-moscow-negotiations-as-far-as-october-november-2016-1429088835567

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Mark Warner said that the idea that negotiations could have continued into November was "big news."

"That is news to me, and that is big news. Why, two years after the fact, are we just learning this fact now when there’s been this much inquiry?"

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
🚨Giuliani is doubling down on his claim that the Trump Tower Moscow negotiations lasted until Nov 2016.
If true, Trump was secretly trying to strike a multimillion $ deal with Moscow even after FBI warned him of the counterintel threat posed by Russia.

Of course security is no problem. He doesn't care that the security staff will be under huge pressure but are not being paid. He's never once acknowledged their hardship.

But today is the 2nd anniversary of his inauguration which means that, whatever happens with Mueller, tomorrow he will be more than half way through his presidency please god, no second term

Rudy Giuliani doesn't know for sure if Trump talked to Michael Cohen about his congressional testimony, saying, "So what if he talked to him about it?" cnn.it/2FRtZqH twitter.com/CNN/status/1087021751773609984/photo/1

So what, indeed!

But do tell us what it is about the two hour version that exonerates those boys.

Do tell us what the 2 hour version says about the media version is true, it was you who was It has given me the rage ...

Who is rage? Did I miss a pp?

Gold star for the pendant, I would take you seriously if you hadn't embarrassed yourself on many political threads already...

lol at this thread being criticised for lack of critical thinking by someone who previously posted that Trump couldn't possibly be a misogynist because he gave some jobs to women.

Feel free to highlight where I have said such a thing, you an AS me and quote me from whenever I said such a thing...

Hi @Roussette

The native American in question is an activist, I am saying that the rage and reporting is a little different once you watch the 2 hour video, which clearly non of you have done, so yeah, the echo chamber is real and critical thinking is lacking when you are all jumping on the rage bandwagon.

There is some serious issues with trump, problem is that some are so far deep in looking for outrage that it would make r/politics on reddit cringe.

Actually @rousette

*he Native American in question and some other NAs with him, I know approached the students first. They walked towards the students whilst playing and singing. The students were clashing with another group and he walked towards them to diffuse the situation.
However, a big group of them then surrounded him, mocking him, and taunting him. Would love to hear your justification of that. Because in my book, it was about 80 people against 1. *

Slightly one sided view of the situation.

Here is the video as others obviously haven't seen it and with critical thinking are just going by headlines.

This kid, and his fellow students, were instructed to wait outside the Lincoln Memorial for a bus to pick them up at 5:30 PM. Despite the IPM being over for over an hour, the students were respectful and gave the protesters a wide berth, gathering far away on the steps, rather than the sidewalk where some protesters were still gathered.

However, some protesters noticed that a few students were wearing MAGA hats and began to taunt them. They called the students "crackers", "future school shooters", and warned of a coming race war during which the students would all be killed by nuclear weapons or starve to death. This went on for quite awhile. Eventually, the students tried to ignore the protesters by turning inward and performing some school/rally cheers.

At this point, a leader of the protesters began walking toward the students with a drum. He broke into the group and tried to get the students to disperse. This kid in the photo refused to move, so the leader with the drum got in his face. They stayed this way for awhile.

During the entirety of the altercation, the students never said hateful things toward the protesters. They never moved towards the protesters or tried to take their space. They never chanted "build the wall" as widely reported by the media (before this video debunked it.) And despite being a bunch of teenage boys being relentlessly taunted, they never gave into violence or any form of hatred. Even when some protesters singled out a black student, repeatedly calling him the n-word.

I listened to this earlier, found it quite enlightening and wanted to share on here
www.wnycstudios.org/story/epic-heist-paris-and-boondoggle-wisconsin
An editor who worked on “The Apprentice” explains how the show made Donald Trump the man he is today

Not watched the full two hour video, as I do have a life, but I must say that Covington Catholic boys school arranges the strangest school trips.

@justanotherlurker

Previous thread, Jan 6th this is what you wrote, verbatim:

the CIA now has 3 women in charge and go through mental hoops of saying Trump is a misogynist despite appointing them

Covington Catholic High School:

“We condemn the actions of the Covington Catholic High School students towards Nathan Phillips specifically, and Native Americans in general, Jan. 18, after the March for Life, in Washington, D.C. We extend our deepest apologies to Mr. Phillips.”

Here is the letter from one of the students that that if valid boils down to nothing at all. If valid, the account given here seems entirely palatable and reasonable, and I think dissolves guilt from both sides; not an ending idpol is likely to accept however.

i.imgur.com/IsG5FKQ.jpg

Not watched the full two hour video, as I do have a life, but I must say that Covington Catholic boys school arranges the strangest school trips.

Well chalk up another victory for sanity and level-headedness, and proof that these threads are full of critical thinking.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/maga-hat-donald-trump-native-american-covington-catholic-nathan-phillips-black-muslims-a8737186.html

According to the Times, there's plans for a full state visit for Trump in June, so he may get a ride in that golden coach at last. Although tbh, right now it seems a bit optimistic for either the UK or the USA to be making plans for five months ahead.
www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/state-visit-for-donald-trump-on-d-day-anniversary-b982lbgzn

He does know it rains in the UK in June, doesn't he? In fact, the weather for D-Day was notoriously bad.

He's ready.

George Lakoff on trump's wall
www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article224572335.html
If Trump gets even one penny for his wall, it would mean we needed one in the first place. It would lend credibility to the racism and hate that fueled his rise. It would also grant him a symbolic victory as the “builder” of the wall, which is very important for a failed real estate developer like Trump, with his widely-noted “edifice complex.”

Reading the letter, if they are "an all male school that likes to get hyped up" they should have been supervised. The difference between expectations of white and black children of the same age is breath taking.

@lionheart

HAHA, your knee deep in the culture war and call me out for saying these threads are not of critical thinking.

How does the now discredited (even on reddit) Independent be on your axis of Russian interference considering who they are owned by.

I will wait to see detailed analysis of this headline, but its good to accept you were wrong for believing they was chanting "build the wall", it's all there in the video you don't want to watch.

No need for comment, it speaks for itself.
washingtonpress.com/2019/01/20/the-maga-teens-mother-just-gave-an-appalling-racist-defense-for-his-actions-2/

Justanoherlurker I'm just not sure why you have to be so rude? If you'd come on here and said... listen everyone, it's not quite as it seems, here is a letter from the students, here's a link to youtube showing more, we are reasonable people and would've listened. But no... it's attack attack.

Interesting to read that letter, and as much as the student who says he had a drum banged in his face, my eyes don't tell me that. He is comfortable and smirking at the NA. Also watching the approach by NPhillips towards the student (and yes, I'd seen that before you came on this thread), it is not aggressive in any way whatsoever, it's just a wandering over to the students. So is it all perception? It would've just been nice if you had come on here in a more pleasant frame of mind and shown us some links that might - or indeed might not - have changed our perceptions.

Yes it does, its playing into the divide and conquer

The initial reporting was false, falling back onto some "gotcha" is why politics has turned into a shit show.

It doesn't give you an out, when you were all outraged for some kid apparently shouting "build the wall" to some native american activist.

Can none of you see where I am coming from?

It doesn't give you an out You're in charge are you???!

I never posted that they said 'build the wall' as I never heard that (having watched footage from different cams etc) but don't let that stop you assuming....

Can none of you see where I am coming from
do you mean that you want people on the thread to see your viewpoint and empathise with you
what makes you think that attacking via sarcasm and insults is the way to achieve that, you are deliberately goading

Also, linking the washington press is not objective, it's on par with some right wing fuckwit linking fox news. Just because it confirms your ideals shows more about the critical thinking than it does about the overall story being doubled down on.

No one yet has come back with an "I was wrong initially" but tried to double down with an alternative right leaning red top.

Remember this is the thread of critical thinking, that includes citing reputable sources.