To ask if you’d vote differently if we had second referendum?

[Bizzle123]

I’ve read threads about how people would vote in a second Brexit referendum. But it’s more interesting - and more relevant - to know if many people have actually changed their minds. So, are there any “leavers” who would now vote remain and vice versa? What are your reasons?

Leave and would vote leave again

I was leaning towards a boycott because I have voted already and if they ignore it, why bother again? I don't want to give democratic legitimacy to remainers seeking to overturn the first vote.

However, I hope the leave campaigns message would be: this referendum is illegitimate, whatever happens we will be going by the results of the first referendum but lets put this issue to bed by beating them in their own phoney vote. I would get on board with that.

If the leave campaign say they will accept the result, I won't vote.

On paper we would be voting on staying v leaving, in reality we would be voting on something different

Sorry time4 any chance you could explain this a bit.

Sorry time4 any chance you could explain this a bit

Therewill was going to explain further but Winebottle has done it for me . Campaigning would be exactly as mentioned (and quite rightly in my opinion). Let the politicians deal with the impending shit (calling a GE or amendment this or amendment that) but don’t pass it back to us again it would be even more divisive second time around (MPs are going to do what they want anyway regardless).

Let the politicians deal with the impending shit

I think the politicians have resoundingly proved utterly unable to deal with the impending shit.

but don’t pass it back to us again it would be even more divisive second time around

They need to pass it back to us as there is no clarity on what kind of Leave the country wants. Or indeed if it still wants to leave.

You are right about it being divisive but there’s no way to stop that now. I fear far more unrest and violence following a no deal than I do another referendum.

If we are going to have to have another one remain has to come off it (I know, I know). You can then get clarity on what leavers want and not dress it up as what it would be which is another bite at the cherry for the ones that didn’t like the result first time.

I fear far more unrest and violence following a no deal than I do another referendum

I don’t

get clarity on what leavers want

On what people want as we are leaving i assume you mean

The country will be divided for years to come. There are people rubbing their hands in delight on social media at the prospect of a "no deal" Brexit even though nobody knows what we can expect from a no deal Brexit.

A lot of people who voted to leave wanted to walk away without a deal. As long as they "get their country back" get their blue passports and there are less foreigners in the country they will be happy.

NOOOO Leave and leave again. Only were arent getting that? Any new referendum will not give us a leave option. That door has been blocked

Blue passports? Who cares

I don't want to give democratic legitimacy to remainers seeking to overturn the first vote

In terms of democratic legitimacy:
The referendum was advisory.
The referendum had several irregularities.
If it had been binding it would need to be run again.

Can we leave on an advisory referendum with significant electoral irregularities?

There is no democratic legitimacy at all in the last referendum.

Nicola sturgeon is doing same - if a result is close then they'll be a vote every couple of years and non will be acted on! So what's the point?

The point I think the SNP may make it and when thy call IndyRef 2 is that the Scottish people were blatantly lie to - vote No and you willl stay in the EU.

That’s like in a years time the goverment turn round and say only kidding we are going back to EU. I bet my last £ that leave voters would be demanding another referendum

Mousse
I, like maybe most people, were unaware it was only advisory.
The leaflet sent out to every household stated that it was a once in a generation vote, and that the government would implement the decision.
I took that in good faith.

A second referendum, whilst not undemocratic, makes a mockery of the 2016 vote.

Leave then.
Double and triple leave now.

Remain before and remain again

When Brexit happens there will be civil unrest because no outcome will make everyone happy. With GE you get the chance every 4 years to vote differently and local elections happen regularly. This is seemingly a 'concrete decision. It will cause outright chaos in northern Ireland and if any deaths occur as a result I feel that all leave voters and David Cameron should hold that on their conscience. As I said earlier... when leave happens, we are returning to a pre war social and economic environment. We are a tiny island, not a global super power.

Vote ms leave. Would vote leave again. I have many friends who voted remain as they have seen how the EU has “negotiated through out the whole process and do not like the way they have handled themselves.

I would always vote Remain.

It's the difference between knowing the outcome and not having a fucking clue.

Plus the Leave campaign was fought illegally with lots of financial backing from Putin.

I voted remain but if a second referendum was called with the same question then I would vote leave on principle. You don’t just get to ignore the result because you don’t like it.

I wouldnt support a second referendum that seeks to clarify what ‘type’ of leave either as some have suggested. IMO that is totally disingenuous....the leave campaign was very clear on one point - that we should leave! It never suggested a ‘soft option!’ Whether you believe it was based on lies/misinformation or a Russian plot is immaterial - it never suggested a ‘soft’ stay in this bit but not the other version.
I’m also mystified by the ‘it was a referendum and so does not count’ argument. The Conservative party won an election with a manifesto that promised a vote. The referendum was run on the basis that the ‘winning side’ would dictate the future policy. Whatever technicalities may or may not sit around whether govt have to abide by it or not are irrelevant. The public were told the result would be followed. You can’t decide afterwards it was advisory.... you can only do that beforehand.

I don’t think we should have a 2nd referendum but if we do and remain is an option I’ll vote that way again.
If asked to choose between different types of deal, or no deal, I wouldn’t know what to go for. I don’t think the British people, generally, are informed enough to make that sort of choice and I wish we had politicians who could sort it out properly for us, as is their remit.

I, like maybe most people, were unaware it was only advisory

It was an appalling piece of legislation that was carried out in an underhand manner. People were lied to through omission.

That doesn't make these points any less true.

It was and advisory referendum.

Electoral irregularities occurred if it hadn't been advisory it would have to have been rerun.

Just because you were lied to, and you were, should we abandon our democratic principles?

When you buy stolen goods you don't get to keep them even though you acted in good faith. The referendum was 'stolen goods' you acted and voted in good faith but it was advisory and it did have electoral irregularities.

I don't think remain will even be an option on any second referendum but if it was I would still vote remain.

Chatting about this earlier and DH and MIL said they would vote leave now, having voted remain last time - because of how they perceive the EU has treated the UK over Brexit (BBC own goal I'd say). I can't even be bothered to argue any more.

You can’t decide afterwards it was advisory.... you can only do that beforehand

The legislation made it clear - beforehand - it was advisory.

I’m honestly not sure.
However - if we had another one - I think leave would win.
Then what?

Hell no. Leave, preferably no deal leave, if the EU don't make a sensible offer. We negotiated this in an awful manner.

The EU have made a sensible offer. It was negotiated with the U.K. government.