To ask if you’d vote differently if we had second referendum?

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I’ve read threads about how people would vote in a second Brexit referendum. But it’s more interesting - and more relevant - to know if many people have actually changed their minds. So, are there any “leavers” who would now vote remain and vice versa? What are your reasons?

No, voted remain and still would without hesitation.
I voted remain in 1975 too.

No. Specially after reading the Lisbon treaty. I want out.
I don't want further integration to the EU.

@hawkinspace the reason I voted and would vote Leave hasnt changed. Once the EU was something that was worth fighting for. Unfortunately I do not see a future for that. UK is footing the majority of the bill. Then we have Italy / Spain / Greece / France - countries where they haven't sorted their s* out and I had enough of paying for their laziness. They dont pay anything close to my salary deduction, can retire at 55, go on strike for a slight petrol tax increase - even if it is not happening any more... who they expect to foot the bill?
Also had enough of the immigrants coming here from other side of the world and we have to do what the bureaucrats in Brussels tell us to do. Nope, I would like to focus on my local library and park before I widen my horizon. We have enough to sort out on our front yard.
I would like to hear what we are doing about our Economy, Healthcare (which is anything but state-of-the-art!), Education system, roadworks, getting this snowflake generation into shape and ready for reality... there are so many things that the country should focus on. Footing the bill for laziness is not one of them I feel comfortable about.

@ThereWillBeAdequateFood

What about Brussels treatment appalled you?

This whole sorry mess might have been avoided if they had taken the threat of Brexit seriously in the first place and given David Cameron ANYTHING to work with when he went to them before the referendum in a last ditch attempt to avoid a Leave result. Instead, they sent him away with a flea in his ear. Similarly, their behaviour since talks started has shown that they they feel they can blackmail and browbeat the UK into submission. They treat Theresa May like a joke - that unbelievably unprofessional meme created by Donald Tusk offering TM a box of chocolates 'but sorry Theresa, no cherries' - and general disdain for the fact that a democratic majority wanted to leave their cosy little organisation.

Someone pointed out to me that there are very few other organisations in the world that make it so difficult to leave, and threaten terrible consequences if you decide to do so. His other example was the Mafia. Extreme comparison perhaps, but he had a point...

Someone pointed out to me that there are very few other organisations in the world that make it so difficult to leave, and threaten terrible consequences if you decide to do so. His other example was the Mafia. Extreme comparison perhaps, but he had a point...

Yes cos you can imagine the the British Government will make it easy for Scotland to leave .....

@StoorieHoose we had a referendum on that. Scotland voted to stay. If they had voted to leave, then I would expect the British Government to work with them to achieve a mutually agreeable plan going forward, which is how the Brexit deals should be going ahead. Just because you don't like an outcome, doesn't mean that you should make it impossible for the other party in an attempt to block it.

No: remain then, remain now.

I admire your optimism MrsMcW but the current Brexit negotiations don’t fill me with hope that the would have

@StoorieHoose depressingly, I guess I'd have to agree, looking at the state of the house of commons over the past weeks. Doesn't mean I'm wrong though about how Brussels (and yes, in a hypothetical situation, Britain) SHOULD act.

Moussemoose
Electoral irregularities occurred

Interestingly, it seems to be forgotten that remain also had Electoral irregularities.

I voted remain.

And having seen what it's doing to businesses in my home town already. A town which will collapse if we leave without a customs union agreement, I am heartbroken that leave is still a viable option.

I didn't say which side the electoral irregularities occurred on because It's totally irrelevant which side it was.

They occurred this voids the election.

MrsMcW

This whole sorry mess might have been avoided if they had taken the threat of Brexit seriously in the first place and given David Cameron ANYTHING to work with when he went to them before the referendum in a last ditch attempt to avoid a Leave result

As I’ve already said on this thread. The EU has four indivisible freedoms - capital, goods, services and labour. After 3 months in the UK EU migrants need to be either working, have a member of the family working or have sufficient funds to live. If not then they can be returned to their home country.
The U.K. doesn’t register when migrants arrive in the E.U. so it can’t kick them out if they can’t support themselves after 3 months.

What extra could the E.U. have given Cameron? Any failure on immigration has been down to successive governments.

Moussemoose

They occurred this voids the election.

It should do, but it doesn't as it would call in to question a huge amount of elections, advisory or otherwise.

@adriano007
Like you I see areas in which the EU needs reform , but I believe we didn’t go about it as well as we might and there is still scope for change from within. Another aspect where I find something in common is the need for improvement of UK provision in areas like Education and Health Care, and public services within local communities. On the matter of immigration our views differ. If you’re distinguishing between refugees and immigrants, I wonder if you’ve looked at the comparative figures for refugees admitted to the UK and rEU? I think you will find we admit a very small number by comparison. As to people coming to the UK from across the world, have you realised that number will increase by leaving the EU? So in short I don't see the question of immigration as being where our problems lie. I expect our UK government to improve our key areas of provision rather than point a finger of blame elsewhere. Vested interests and poor governance have a lot to answer for.

The ignorance shown on this thread is a good reason why we should never have had a referendum.

"Unfortunately I do not see a future for that. UK is footing the majority of the bill. Then we have Italy / Spain / Greece / France - countries where they haven't sorted their s* out and I had enough of paying for their laziness. "

The UK is not the major net contributor, its actually only the third in terms of size, and significantly down the list on net contribution per head.

Italy, Spain and France are all also net contributors.

The UK has not paid any money towards the Greek bailouts.

Full pensionable age in France is between 65 and 67. In Italy its 62 but only if you have paid in, in full for 38 years.

But retirement age is a national government decision not an EU one.

Italy and France are world top 10 economies.

This post is the gift that keeps on giving:

"Also had enough of the immigrants coming here from other side of the world and we have to do what the bureaucrats in Brussels tell us to do"

Brussles has nothing to do with the UK's non EU immigration policy.

"getting this snowflake generation into shape and ready for reality."

This is just a facile comment made by a stupid and ignorant person.

In fact if I didn't know better I'd say that this post was satire, the fact that it isn't makes me want to scream.

I would vote the same way I voted initially as I'd be annoyed at a re-vote in a so called democracy.

Also can we stop repeating the "EU gave Cameron nothing" point.

Its factually incorrect. He got almost everything he went for, he was allowed to put a break on benefits, and got his exemption from ever closer union, etc.

He lost at banning EU migrants from being able to send Child Benefit home as that meant that they would be treated differently to workers here. However this is an utterly minimal cost to the government - about 0.03 of the entire Child Benefit bill.

The Joke to Theresa May? Maybe a bit silly, but not insulting. The UK has behaved badly throughout the entire process.

"Someone pointed out to me that there are very few other organisations in the world that make it so difficult to leave, and threaten terrible consequences if you decide to do so."

There are no terrible consequences, just that the UK cannot retain all the benefits of membership without following the rules of membership. The red lines the UK has drawn dictate the kind of deal it can get.

An utter lack of knowledge and understanding displayed again, with a jingoistic amount of British ( English) exceptionalism.

I voted leave & since the referendum was unsure that I had voted the right way. But since reading about the fact that the stock exchange is moving to Frankfurt & all the tighter EU policies that would leave the UK even more bound to Europe in 2022 I am glad I voted leave & would vote that way again. The only good thing that is coming out of this mess at the moment is the fact that there is more information about what would happen if we leave or remain & voters would be able to make a more informed decision on how they would vote should the people's vote be done.

we had a referendum on that. Scotland voted to stay. If they had voted to leave, then I would expect the British Government to work with them to achieve a mutually agreeable plan going forward, which is how the Brexit deals should be going ahead. Just because you don't like an outcome, doesn't mean that you should make it impossible for the other party in an attempt to block it.

Really? So if Scotland said we want X, Y and Z, you must give them to us and we won’t budge on them, you would expect Westminster to just say okay? What if these things were utterly unacceptable to the remainder of Britain- would the refusal to grant these things to Scotland be seen as making it impossible for them to leave? IIRC, Scotland wanted to retain use of the Pound, something which was completely dismissed as unrealistic. How do you suggest this would have been dealt with, for example, to avoid accusations of blocking their exit?

I voted remain in the first referendum and would vote remain again.

However, if we don't get a second referendum, then all we can do now is move forward, make the very best of things and work together to make the country a better place.

I'm just trying to be positive here as I'm not sure what else I can do.

"But since reading about the fact that the stock exchange is moving to Frankfurt "

The Stock exchange is not moving to Frankfurt.

Want to provide a link for your claims?

BoneyBackJefferson a number of by elections have been held as a result of election irregularities.

In a GE the whole country wouldn't vote again only the constituency where the irregularities occurred. It doesn't happen very often though.

NI uses STV rather than FPTP due to allegations of consistent electoral irregularities.

@Crimson72
Hi, I sympathise with your sense of being at a loss. Do you take part in any pro-EU Campaigning? There are several organisations starting with the People's Vote Campaign and there's Best for Britain. If you are s young person there is Our Future Our Choice and FFS:for our future's sake. The European Movement too has stalls and talks.
It depends where you are as to what's easy to contact and drop by. Google them and see what's in your area.
I mentioned those because the best way to keep your spirits up is to go to events where you're with others who share your views. Helping at a stall is a lovely chance to have informal chats in the quiet moments and to laugh together lightens the heavy feeling of concern. All is not lost, I have hope a good resolution can be reached.