to think that May should resign

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They survived the confidence votes but only by 19 votes. Surely she should go now?

Yes, I do agree that this opposition has not opposed. I ‘m no fan. I’m frustrated too.

But you can’t deny either that the press has written many of the opinions that have stagnated and created this situation.

I’m just glad i’m In Scotland and can vote SNP.

Labour are viewed very differently up here remember.

How I wish Cameron had lost a different referendum

The infantile level of debate that centres around perceived personality of a “leader” is Utterly horrific

If that is in relation to Corbyn I completely judge him by his past decades as as an MP.

Corbyn is great talking to his fans or at rallies where everyone cheers him. That's why they have to put John McDonnel or Tom Watson up for I terviews to TV. Because he can't take the scrutiny and sometimes has no idea what his party's policies are. He struggled to get through a speech written for him to his own Party Conference. That's not right wing media. That's people seeing something with their own eyes. Much as I dislike most of the, can you imagine any previous leaders of either party having such loathing for each other and lack of respect for the country that they would rather plunge us into disaster than agree to come together 2 years ago? Corbyn wasn't even able to form a shadow cabinet.

I'm nearly as old as Corbyn. I don't really bother with the right wing press for my analysis of the Labour leadership. My own eyes and my own memories work just fine when assessing Corbyn.

Like I say, i’m No big fan. But to my understanding he has been a principled MP who has a voting record on the right side of history, he opposed the slide of the Labour Party to the right. He wasn’t s centrist. Was that his crime?

But to my understanding he has been a principled MP who has a voting record on the right side of history

Soundbite alert.

Apologies, i guess i’m Not immune to being saturated by the media, left and right.

No. Being shit and cosying up to whatever trendy edgy "cause" is going is his failing. As is no leadership on Remain during the Brexit campaign. As is having the majority of his MPs distrusting him. And as for being on the right side of history? Don't make me laugh.

But again, this thread is supposed to be about Theresa May!!

Anyone can have principles and therefore be principled. It's about what those principles are and deciding whether they align with your own I guess. Mysogyny and anti-semitisim aren't for me.

Corbyn on the right side of history? I really don't think so. He and May are equally culpable.

So, no, I don't think May should go. I think the people around her should all stop being selfish and start working with her for the benefit of the country rather than their egos and personal agendas

Agreed! It should be about working together in the best interest of the country. It definitely shouldn't be about some little man doing his best to discredit anything his opposition comes up with for his own agenda. Especially when he brings nothing to the table.

Cuspish, if he was any good, or frankly if he was average, there would be a groundswell of opinion for him. There isn't. And so we are stuck with hoping that no one even worse than May takes over from her as the alternative.
If Corbyn and his headbanger mates just scrambled back to the back benches and let the grown ups take over, there would be something to hope for and someone to put a bit of faith in.
So it's about both of them. And, sadly, she is less unappealing.

Oh no! This massive right wing inspired and funded Brexit screw up is all the fault of tired old commie Jeremy Corbyn

By the grown ups, you mean the centrists?

Although, bellini, you've got a point he's not covered himself in glory. Pox on the lot of them.

Yep, the centrists. It's not a dirty word. If he was able to do the things his minions claim he can do - bring people to the negotiating table, make them talk, he would do it and I, for one, would give him credit. He hasn't because he can't. Because he's useless.

And unless he has changed his mind he has said he might call for another one.

So Corbyn's new strategy is to keep calling votes of no confidence that he'll never win, completely wasting everybody's time in the process. Brilliant. We have two months and 12 days to sort this mess out FGS!

We know he's a staunch Brexiteer. I bet he's secretly hoping for no deal, so the Tories get voted out of power for the foreseeable and he can take control.

Next meaningful vote on 29 January. On fuck knows what.

So this whole mess is Corbyn’s fault for not wanting the Labour Party to be the same as the Conservative party? If only he’d just be a centrist and carry on what Blair started we wouldn’t have all this bother?

Don't be childish, cuspish. It's not all his fault. But he is in part to blame . Here's my list:
Cameron
Leave voters
May
The Tories
Corbyn
Leavers who are now No Deal supporters
All of us for not taking this shit seriously until it was too late

If only we have a centrist labour leader who would continue the basic direction of the last 40 years of politics in this country (albeit with slightly red feel good icing) then we could just stop voting conservative?

I've never voted Tory in my life. You vote for them if you like

I’ve never voted for them either.

I vote SNP these days.

One thing is for sure, the majority of Scotland is watching this shit and wishing the independence referendum had played out differently. Even my staunch Tory no voting Perthshire pensioner father in law wants a new independence referendum,