to think that May should resign

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They survived the confidence votes but only by 19 votes. Surely she should go now?

Why not say it is difficult to carry out without fucking us, but I am trying?

If only politicians would say this kind of (honest) thing.

And he’s set out his policy on a 2nd referendum based on the fact that they need to call a vote of no confidence first. If he keeps going for NCVs to avoid the discussion of a 2nd ref he risks losing his own MPs as well.

Stop the whole fucking shambles and stop destroying the economy for the sake of some misguided jingoistic nationalism being driven by people who don't even know what the EU does or how it functions

It’s this sort of nonsense that makes debating brexit impossible.

Brexit, you could argue, was driven mainly by Nigel Farage, who is an MEP so knows exactly how the EU works!

Yes, she should go and in other times I would support it.

BUT I'm glad she hasn't because I think her staying in power is the best chance we have of a People's Vote, she's literally backed herself into a corner where there is no other way out. Very soon she will have to put her big girl pants on and admit that.

Yeah why is she a good leader?

She’s all robotic sound bites, meaningless phrases, no substance just awful advertising. Strong and stable. Brexit means Brexit. Will of the people. What does any of it mean? We’ve endured years of utter chaos, u turns, resignations and lies. All in the name of trying to pretend she could deliver the undeliverable? Keeping the Brexit discussions as s closed Tory shop instead of seeking consensus two years ago, triggering article 50 without a plan beyond “red, white and blue Brexit” and consistently stoking up anger and division (“enemies of the people”en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemies_of_the_People_(headline) )

And when it all comes crashing down around her and she faces two no confidence votes, 2 massive defeats and is only saved by the embarrassment of the Tory deal with the DUP, she has the nerve to claim she’s open to listen and try to blame others?

"Brexit, you could argue, was driven mainly by Nigel Farage, who is an MEP so knows exactly how the EU works!"
He knows how the expenses system works, anyway.

After the biggest defeat in parliamentary history and May's failure to resign, the no confidence vote was inevitable. I'm not entirely sure why anyone would think it cost any money.

I'm completely sick of watching two intransigent pensioners snarling at each other over the despatch box, neither of them with any awareness that they're playing with people's lives while the clock's ticking. And so it seems are their MPs, which is why some of them with a modicum of sense are working behind the scenes to try to find a way out of this mess.

What completely infuriates me is that they're both fucking with young people's futures and the pair of them will be dead in 20 or 30 years while their stinking legacy will continue to cast a cloud. I wish I was going to be alive to see what history makes of them and this appalling period.

What I just don’t get is how a discussion about whether a leader who has presided over 10 resignations from her cabinet, lost her majority in a time wasting election she said she wouldn’t call, wasted 2 years negotiating a Brexit deal that becomes the biggest commons defeat in a century becomes about Jeremy Corbyn.

It's also about JC because he should be the natural alternative to May. Which someone like Cooper or Starmer as leader would be. And he fecking well isn't. He's dreadful.

cuspish because he is part of the problem. He has also had numerous resignations and a vote of no confidence in his leadership, lets not forget.

If she goes, he could be in charge. Of course he should come into it.

I don't think she should go because the country needs stability. There is literally nobody, who would do a better job than her because nobody knows how to do it! It's not as if Britain has ever been through Brexit before, so just about anyone you'd replace May with would be doing the same as her, i.e. trying to work it all out through trial and error.

What is disgraceful is that all these politicians she is surrounded by, including the opposition, are squabbling to make names for themselves instead of getting their heads together to work out what's best for the country! Look at Corbyn! May actually called on him to sit down and have a dialogue and what was his response???? Nonsense!

I am not a huge fan of May's but, to be honest, my hat's off to her because she has more balls than most men to stick to this position at this time. Cameron stirred up all this sh* and quickly disappeared afterwards because he knew it was always going to be a cr* job to steer the country through a time like this. Farage kept shouting and winding people up to support Brexit too. As soon as the outcome was achieved, he buggers off to the States and nobody knows where his extra 350M for the NHS were supposed to come from, including himself!

So, no, I don't think May should go. I think the people around her should all stop being selfish and start working with her for the benefit of the country rather than their egos and personal agendas.

Even EU politicians are getting fed up with all this now and if you read the European press and listen to their MPs, they are all saying that all they want is for Britain to stop dithering and to articulate clearly what it is that the UK requires as a country, so that everyone can sit down and talk about it properly.

If no deal was your red line in the sand, wouldn’t you have voted for the WA?

The problem is that the WA is the worst of both scenarios, it was BINO with not seat at the table, it had to be voted down.

Is he awful or are you just repeatedly told he is awful?

I’m no fan girl , but it seems to me that whenever he gets the chance to debate , without mediation through the media, he impresses.

If he really cared about the Uk he would put his ambition aside and work for the good of the country. All he ever does is moan about brexit. But does he ever put his ideas across? NO he doesn’t.

He can't put his ideas across because 1. he doesn't have any other than teenage left wing idealism and 2. he has always been a brexiteer. What would his party do if he actually stood up and said that?

Corbyn voted against membership in 1975, against the Maastricht Treaty in 1993 and against the Lisbon Treaty in 2009.

Likewise , is Teresa may “stable” or are you just told she’s stable?

What exactly has been stable about her time as prime minister?

So, cuspish, we change one shitty leader for another one. Not really helpful.

Is he awful or are you just repeatedly told he is awful?

He was awful as a back bencher and he is awful as a leader.

*Likewise , is Teresa may “stable” or are you just told she’s stable?

What exactly has been stable about her time as prime minister?*

When they talk of her being stable, I doubt that anyone actually means any business-as-usual type of stability. The stability being referred to here is her ability to provide the continuity to the work that she has started.

Any changes to PM now will disrupt that continuity. There is no doubt about that.

Is he awful or are you just repeatedly told he is awful?

Still pushing the propaganda approach I see, even though he has been leader for a couple of years people are who think he is awful must have got their opinion from the "right wing media" no doubt.

No he's just awful. I knew him when he was just a no mark backbencher. He's as shit now as he was then.

If you think JC impresses watch him on PMQs. They’re both shit but he had an open goal yesterday and missed it by a mile.

If you put him up against someone decent in any debate I don’t thing he’d come out well.

A strong opposition could have completely transformed this shit storm. Instead we've got the most incompetent government in living memory opposed by the most incompetent opposition in living memory. Corbyn should have made mincemeat of the Tories, God knows they've handed him enough opportunities.

The stability comes from the civil service. Governments are meant to change. It’s not as if May is the only person who understands Brexit ffs! She’s the figure for an ideology that gives the direction to the civil service,

We need new direction.

The infantile level of debate that centres around perceived personality of a “leader” is Utterly horrific

No because there is absolutely no one with any amount of integrity to replace her within that party. Would you prefer the guy who wants abortion to be made illegal again? Or Bo-Jo?

I’m a labour supporter but even I can see losing Theresa May at the point in time will be tragic. She’ll be replaced with someone far worse.

Cuspish, it was the same about Michael Foot and Michael Howard. How you conduct yourself personally matters in a leader matters. It just does.
Foot was a dreadful leader but a lovely intelligent and brave man. Corbyn is just dreadful.