to think that May should resign

[brizzledrizzle]

They survived the confidence votes but only by 19 votes. Surely she should go now?

I used to be against Scottish independence (Irish mum/immigrant from elsewhere dad). Live in England. Now I've changed my mind and wouldn't blame them. I bet the SNP inWestminster have told May, we'll support your WA if you give is another referendum on leaving the United Kingdom.

So Corbyn's new strategy is to keep calling votes of no confidence that he'll never win, completely wasting everybody's time in the process. Brilliant. We have two months and 12 days to sort this mess out FGS!

Yep seems to be his plan.

I have always supported Scottish independence (not sure why it's relevant but I am English, from an English background).

I bet the SNP inWestminster have told May, we'll support your WA if you give is another referendum on leaving the United Kingdom

I suspect they haven't - SNP MP I saw was demanding a second vote on the EU. SNP probably don't want to leave a non-EU UK as it would make it harder for them to get EU membership, so they will be trying to frustrate Brexit entirely, like most MPs.

And our PM's new strategy - after two and a half years of abject failure to produce anything - and who has just been bleating out slogans and damaging red lines - is suddenly to ask if anyone else has any good ideas.

Unbelievable.

We have two months and 12 days to sort this mess out FGS!

Whose fault is that?

If only we have a centrist labour leader who would continue the basic direction of the last 40 years of politics in this country (albeit with slightly red feel good icing) then we could just stop voting conservative?

If only we had a Labour leader who could win a sodding election and actually offer some sort of effective opposition right now. Corbyn has proved himself on multiple occasions to be completely unelectable as a PM. He lost to the Tories by 56 seats in the 2017 general election, even though May's campaign was an absolute shambles! Just how much longer will Labour allow this farce to continue?

And our PM's new strategy - after two and a half years of abject failure to produce anything - and who has just been bleating out slogans and damaging red lines - is suddenly to ask if anyone else has any good ideas.

As others have already said, there should have been a cross-party committee on this from the beginning, to work together on an acceptable Brexit deal. But that didn't happen. So now it's time for all parties to pull together and sort this mess out once and for all, to the best of their (admittedly very limited) ability. In other words, it's time to put politics and posturing aside and put what's best for the people of this country first. But Corbyn appears to be too childish/self-interested to do that.

Problem with a GE is also if Tories replace May with a good orator and debater and he would be complete toast.

Completely disagree with him politically but Gove was very good in parliament yesterday and Corbyn would be no contest.

The Gove/Watson exchange yesterday if you take party politics out of it completely was a different level to May/Corbyn.

I just posted this elsewhere

Depends what you want @cuspish. Do you want a Tory government for all eternity? I don't but I couldn't hold my nose and vote for Corbyn.

The SNP have the least sensible policies of all the parties unless you believe they hate the English and frankly I'd question if whoever writes the SNP manifesto knows what the EU is. There is absolutely no point in the Scottish seeking independence if they want to stay in the EU as in the medium term they'd still have no real law making ability in Scotland with it all being in Brussels.

Completely disagree with him politically but Gove was very good in parliament yesterday and Corbyn would be no contest

I've already mentioned this somewhere. I have never been a Gove fan but it has to be said he absolutely smashed it yesterday.

I'm still not convinced he should take over from May. In fact there is nobody in this current government who, realistically, could do a better job than May.

Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnel and that horrid woman (something Butler, cant remember her first name and not interested enougb to look her up) who sits next to him in The Commons who sneers at anything May says yet sits there like an excited puppy nodding frantically at the venom that spews from Corbys mouth, will totally bring this country to its knees. Not brain cell between them!

And the country isn’t on it’s knees now?

I agree the country isn't looking great. However, May didn't do it all on her own.

Corbyn et al would certainly finish it off!

she's the only person in Westminster who is actually trying to deliver on what the public voted for. Everyone else is playing politics.

She isn't. Her priorities are 1. keeping herself as leader of the Tories, 2. keeping the Tories in power, 3. delivering some washed out form of Brexit that will somehow please everyone (but doesn't exist because there is no real consensus on what the public did vote for - other than to be out of the EU. I guess in this respect it is easy - she can do nothing, we can fall out of the EU, Scotland can get out a big saw and detach itself along the line of Hadrian's Wall, NI can go up in flames, Gibraltor can have a big wall built around it to stop it becoming too Spanish, the US can come and buy up the NHS and she can sit back and say - "Look - I delivered EXACTLY what you asked for.)

No, the country isn’t on its knees yet. There’s still a whole lot further down for us to plummet.

I can't forgive Gove for the changes he's made to education but he's behaving like a politician who is actually trying to do what's right for the country IMO. I can say the same for some Labour figures such as Yvette Cooper or Chukka. They need to start shouting a bit louder because their leader isn't fit to be in charge.

If I were TM, I'd revoke A50 on the basis that all other MPs are acting like spoilt children and are seemingly incapable of coming to an agreement on Brexit. I'd then resign as PM and jet off to the Maldives or somewhere for a couple of months, turn my phone off and leave the rest of them to sort it out between themselves.

Me too DingDong

Just do a Cameron in reverse

Yep, that's exactly what I'd do too.

If only we have a centrist labour leader who would continue the basic direction of the last 40 years of politics in this country (albeit with slightly red feel good icing) then we could just stop voting conservative?
The last Labour government put through huge social reforms that helped a hell of a lot more people than Corbyn ever did or will with his cosying up to terrorists and voting against his own party in government over and over again. Luckily for him, he wasn't threatened with deselection every 5 minutes, nor did he have to have protection to get into his own party conference because he didn't agree with the direction of the party.
To enact real change, you have to be in power. In this country, that means getting elected. His role as leader of the opposition is to hold the government to account and offer a valid alternative. He is patently not doing either.

I would really love to see what would happen if TM threw in the towel and buggered off. No other coward wants that job, because they know they would all be in the same position. They are quite happy for her to preside over this disaster, and whatever disaster we end up with, can be blamed on her not getting a hard brexit/soft brexit/brexit or whatever we end up with.

Corbyn is a selfish git. He should stand aside for the good of the country. With an even moderately decent labour leader they'd be in power.
There needs to be a remain option because half the country voted to remain and yet we're not represented by Labour or Conservatives.
It's such an appalling mess - how can we let the future of the country be decided like this.

I can say the same for some Labour figures such as Yvette Cooper or Chukka

Chukka was good today. He said there shouldn't be preconditions to Corbyn meeting May. Mike Gapes has said similar.

Both are strong remainers. If theh can see how daft his position is, why can't he and those pulling his strings around him

Misseliza. I agree and I can’t believe I’m saying that!!!!

About Gove or YV and Chukka? I've always voted Tory but I believe Gove has ruined our education system. It's taken a lot to be able to look past that. I'm not happy about the state of education for my dc's sake but I'm even more angry about the possibility of the chaos a no deal Brexit will do to their future.
I haven't spoken to a single person for weeks who isn't sickened by Parliament. Almost everyone is also positive about TM. I have never heard such unanimity. Why don't politicians get their heads out of their backsides and listen to the people??