to think that May should resign

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They survived the confidence votes but only by 19 votes. Surely she should go now?

Of course the process had to be gone through. The opposition had to state that they had no confidence in her because it's unheard for a government to lose a crucial vote by that margin and then just press on as if nothing had happened. She caused that. Fact.

And why do people insist on saying she's 'been put in an impossible situation'; no one else could do it etc etc. She put herself there, Gove did put himself forward (ugh) but was defeated and she won and then she took the decisions she did. She's not some reluctant heroine who has been dragged onto the front line kicking and screaming and is now doggedly doing her best. There are plenty of people in politics with other suggestions and approaches (I don't mean Labour front bench) and some sort of cross-party working group could have been formed. There were alternatives but she dug in and now won't shift. It's utterly reprehensible and utter bollocks that no one else could have done better. Trite bullshit that I'm sick of seeing as some kind of way of letting her off the hook for her monumental incompetence.

Corbyn's failure to meet with her is just ridiculous and shows what a preening twat he is. Just when we need the opposite.
If he really is the type who can bring warring factions together (as per Momentum lies about his role in the Peace process in NI), this should be easy for him. Show up; Look statesman like and embarrass her into common sense.
He's afraid that that's how he'll make her look. Because he's a useless twat. Prove me wrong, Jezza!

she's the only person in Westminster who is actually trying to deliver on what the public voted for. Everyone else is playing politics. Corbyn in particular.

Agree!

No she isn’t - she unilaterally decided what ‘leave’ meant - and has pushed and pushed for making us poorer.
She spent half that ridiculous speech last night slagging off corbyn. Ffs- we don’t care about corbyn - we care about what you have done- (not much)

Don’t you agree that triggering article 50 back then was a ridiculous (one of many) major mistakes?

But yesterday she refused to invite Corbyn to the initial meeting - in that regard they’re both as bad as each other.

A decade ago I felt like there was a nuance of cross party respect. That the leaders of each party were able to work together when necessary.

I think Corbyn was necessary at the point he was elected but definitely needs to now stand aside and let someone else in.

I also agree with the PP that the confidence vote yesterday was necessary: Parliament had just spectacularly rejected their PMs policy. I think any opposition leader would have done the same. There was a chance it could have gone the other way; there are tories that could have used it as the opportunity to get the new leader they wanted. Thankfully, and I say this as a remainer and Labour Party member, it hasn’t caused disruption or the dissolving of Parliament whilst we have to endure a GE at a time when there is enough irrational uncertainty.

I truly don’t know what the answer is. Everything is still being discussed in riddles and vague assertions.

As far as I can see the only option is to accept the EU offer of an extension. It would at least buy a little time. It’s all far to last minute. Don’t forget, she wanted to break the law and not have the deal voted on in Parliament.

I also don’t think TM was genuinely a remainer. I think there’s an awful lot of financial gain for Tories involved and that that is what is making it so difficult to come to a good exit strategy. My greatest fear is that this whole shit show has become a chance to privatise the NHS vis trade deals with the US, all on the back of an advisory referendum.

I feel sorry for TM. I believe she's trying her best to get us an orderly exit from the EU.
She certainly has tenacity.
I think JC is useless. Speaking as a Labour leave supporter.

I think the party is behaving disgracefully. Refusing to accept her deal but making damn sure she stays in power because they all know fine well it’s the best we’re going to get and none of them could do a better job.

I’m not a fan of the woman but she’s being used as a convenient scapegoat. Once Brexit is done (whatever form that takes), the knives will be out and she won’t last a month.

Corbyn's failure to meet with her is just ridiculous and shows what a preening twat he is. Just when we need the opposite.

Exactly Bellini.

I also don’t think TM was genuinely a remainer

More of one than Corbyn is.

But yesterday she refused to invite Corbyn to the initial meeting - in that regard they’re both as bad as each other

He spent the entire day as did MP after MP saying there must be crosd party talks that she never meets etc.

Moment she offers to meet, he refuses and is the only leader to do so..

Pathetic.

What on Earth are you all on about?

Both may and Corbyn are simply sticking to their red lines and blaming each other. There is little difference.

Corbyn saying that no deal must be ruled out.

May saying that she won’t consider a customs union.

Neither can compromise or they risk angering factions of their parties.

The fact that both our main political parties are split, and that the country is split on such meaningless issues is awful.

Why aren’t we talking about climate change, education, poverty, inequality, the NHS, Grenfell, Windrush, the railways etc etc?

This is a shower of crisis manufacturing shit .

It's all political game playing, the problem is it now looks like the old saying, Nero fiddled whilst Rome burned,

Time for them to grow the fuck up.

And no deal needs to come off thr table, the government. Has approx six thousand companies preparing for no deal brexit, and it's a huge work effort, labels, regulations, , customs, tax, systems, stock piling, warehousing, money, manufacturing, even down to white papers to be completed for the government, and also not just in the U.K., where the U.K. supplies other countries, those countries need to prepare also, and it's costing billions, people pulled off their jobs to do it, it needs to stop.

Everyone else is playing politics.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

And no deal needs to come off thr table, the government.

Why do people keep saying this? It cannot come off the table - because if MPs cannot agree (and given Corbyn’s ridiculous behaviour yesterday, it looks like they never will) then it WILL be no deal on March 29th, whether anyone says it’s “off the table” or not.

They are like a bunch of teenagers playing chicken at the moment. The vast majority know that what they are doing is stupid and dangerous but no one wants to be the first to say stop.

I am so cross with it all. Such an important issue and it isn't being discussed clearly or sensibly just a load of meaningless soundbites. Brexit means Brexit - what the actual fuck? No one has ever been able to agree what Brexit actually involved, even the leave campaign during the campaign.

Stop the whole fucking shambles and stop destroying the economy for the sake of some misguided jingoistic nationalism being driven by people who don't even know what the EU does or how it functions.

They are like a bunch of teenagers playing chicken at the moment. The vast majority know that what they are doing is stupid and dangerous but no one wants to be the first to say stop.

Agree Lexi.

She can't deliver the undeliverable. The con that was sold as Brexit is impossible. She's been left with a unsolvable mess with everyone telling her she is shit.
I am not a Tory but I don't think Labour could have di e much better.
Let's not complicate matters anymore for now.
Though. Part of me thinks that the permanent state if crisis suits some vested interests

There were two ways to take No Deal off the table. One was to accept the WA, the other is No Brexit.
It looks more like No Brexit.
While that is my preference it is not that simple. We have genuine fears, concerns and expectations to address. As do the other member states in their individual countries.

Of course the process had to be gone through. The opposition had to state that they had no confidence in her because it's unheard for a government to lose a crucial vote by that margin and then just press on as if nothing had happened. She caused that. Fact.

Yes she caused it - but the no confidence vote was a pointless circus that everyone knew Corbyn couldn't win. What on earth was the point of that - you seem to be saying it had to done ........just because. Not a good enough reason IMHO. (and I am not a May supporter or a Tory).

The confidence vote was just stupid pointless willy-waving - which is how we got to this point in the first place.

but the no confidence vote was a pointless circus that everyone knew Corbyn couldn't win. What on earth was the point of that - you seem to be saying it had to done ........just because. Not a good enough reason IMHO. (and I am not a May supporter or a Tory)

And unless he has changed his mind he has said he might call for another one.

While that is my preference it is not that simple. We have genuine fears, concerns and expectations to address. As do the other member states in their individual countries.

This is my stance too,

She suckered him into the confidence vote, pretty confident she had the numbers.

If no deal was your red line in the sand, wouldn’t you have voted for the WA? And if you were the leader of the largest opposition party, wouldn’t you whip your party into propping up the government and doing the same?

And up until this point he’s been nowhere on the prospect No Deal. Suddenly choosing this point to make it your red line not to make it joins talks looks far more like political manoeuvring than a genuinely held opinion.

Suspect if it comes t them trying to out manoeuvre each other TM is going to wipe the floor with him.

And unless he has changed his mind he has said he might call for another one.

Yes he has said he will continue to do so. Issue he has is that other opposition parties have said they won't support continual votes of no confidence.

I really need help to understand why TMay is a good leader!

She's boxed herself in with her stupid red lines - with her own highly destructive interpretation of leave. Why did she do that?

Why say brexit means brexit repeatedly - surely that fools no one?

Why call an election and then refuse to debate? - And have to rely on the DUP fgs!

Why trigger Article 50 without a fecking plan?

She goes on TV and talks about the 'will of the people' - by no means is Brexit the will of the people - a slight majority of the electorate, 2 and a half years ago, yes - and she bloody knows this. Why not say it? Why not say it is difficult to carry out without fucking us, but I am trying?

I think her dishonesty and stupidness is unforgiveable.

Please tell me why she's good! I absolutely believe Corbyn is a shit, but May? My God, she's a maniac.