to think that May should resign

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They survived the confidence votes but only by 19 votes. Surely she should go now?

If corbyn had come out honestly as the brexiteer he is, gave passionate speech about it, his vision for brexit.. Softer perhaps.. The UK under labour, outside eu... He might have stormed it!

It’s unlikely. 2/3 of labour voters are remainers. That’s a huge proportion of your core vote to alienate.

We would only end up with a brexiteer if she did resign.

That's my point NI under invested and over exposed to costs of infrastructure are entitled to that money
The Tories had enough votes and policies for another party in support Labour did not so they won

Nothern Ireland has historically received far more investment proportionately than the rest of the UK. Money has been thrown at it for decades. The £1 billion given to the DUP just after the election was a straight bribe because May had no majority because she didn't win the election.

Northern Ireland has suffered far more than the rest of the UK and is in need of economic growth to protect the fragile peace.

Go and do some research about Northern Ireland and come back when you know what you're talking about. Buying votes is a bribe.

I thought I'd replied
I've worked in NI and in London on NI issues (under the Labour gvt) I'm all researched up thank you

BlueLady What would have happened if the tories hadn't done a deal with DUP to make up the shortfall of seats, given that the libdems had stated that they wouldn't be up for coalition with either party if there was a hung parliament. From memory, and my memory isn't very good, I think it was around 10(?) more seats the tories needed to form a government.

All the smaller parties put together wouldn't have formed enough seats for Labour to form a coalition government.

The only viable option was for the tories and DUP to join forces.
Otherwise we wouldn't have a government.

You're right the DUP said they would make up the number of seats for the tories, on condition that there was something in it for them.

That's very different to TM bribing the DUP.

The woman is performing a thankless task to the best of her ability. If ever I’m having a bad time at work I always remind myself that she will be having a worse one.
Perhaps Corbyn should go. He was the one who lost the confidence vote after all. He’s the worst thing that’s happened to the Labour Party for a long time and in my opinion has made them unelectable. I could have been tempted away from the Tory party were it not for him.

@BigChocFrenzy unless you are suggesting almost everyone who supported remain in tory constituencies now wants to leave you are talking bollocks as the proportion of people wishing to leave has hardly changed in the past 2.5years...

What an utterly depressing thread. So many ill-informed people who seem to think this is some kind of defeat for Corbyn and huge victory for her. She won the vote of no confidence because Tories are obviously not going to bring down their own government. Corbyn and everyone else knew she would win it simply because of the numbers because they're not going to vote to lose power. It means nothing but was a process that had to be gone through in the light of the biggest government defeat this century ( I think) that happened on Tuesday. Any other PM in that position, or one approaching it, resigns. It's utterly ridiculous that she clings onto power when she can't get a policy through the house - she can't govern and that's what she's there to do.

She's been a complete and utter disaster from the start only wanting to appease the leavers in her own party when obviously with a slim majority to leave it should have been a matter of careful consideration and cross-party talks to put something together. She rushed to trigger article 50 with no plan and then fucked the negotiations from the off with her red lines that she had no right to say were a reflection of what 'the British people' wanted'. Then she had her GE and lost her majority (what a twat) but still claims that it gave her the mandate to push ahead with a hard Brexit. Ugh. The country is utterly fucked and a laughing stock of the world, though many actually pity us, and people feel sorry for her because she looks tired??!

When she gave her speech at 10 pm she again showed no awareness that she has no majority in the commons (without her DUP bribe) and kept on and on about the British people as if they are all hard leavers. What about the 48%? Do we not count at all anymore? I feel like I don't belong anymore with the way she is taking things. The way she tries to blackmail the country and house that it is her shit deal or no deal is, again, disgusting. if that is leadership people admire I don't know what to say...

I can't stand Corbyn either and voted for YC and wish to god she was leading Labour now, but no way has he done half the damage TM has.

Well put duchess.

She’s fucked this right up - and I find it bewildering that people can’t see her incompetence. Two months left? Utterly stupid.

Utterly depressing.

Ofcourse she should resign

It means nothing but was a process that had to be gone through in the light of the biggest government defeat this century ( I think) that happened on Tuesday

Why the fuck did it "have to be gone through" when it "means nothing" That's just a massive waste of time and money.

If May goes, who should be PM? How? And in what time frame?.
I entirely accept that any leader who thinks they are indispensable shouldn't be a leader but ....,tick tick.

She is ‘leading’ the country into utter shit and people are clapping - ‘ooh much better her than corbyn.’

She is ‘leading’ the country into utter shit and people are clapping - ‘ooh much better her than corbyn.

I'm not - I voted Labour. But the vote was a fucking pointless waste of time and cash.

If Corbyn just wanted no deal off the table, he'd have met with her and discussed it with her. Instead of the political game playing. He's right, it needs to come off the table, but she knows that and pretty much said it after the defeat. But she can't just take it off the table, the eu needs to agree it, it takes both sides.

And the reason it's a bargaining chip, is because if we bow out with no deal the other eu member countries need to find the money we had committed to. How much is it, 39 billion? Plus they also have trade with the U.K., expats in our country, so no one wants no deal as the individual country negoritations and then for us and each country to pass it into law would literally take years. They would be hurt by it, not as much as us, but we would all suffer if we bowed out with no deal, hence it's her one bargaining chip.

It’s all horrible but I think she’s doing great. She will go down in history.

Yeah, She will go down in history.

She's not the only one to blame for this mess. And yes, as vile as she is, better her than Corbyn. Better Cooper than Corbyn. Better Starmer than Corbyn.

Oh I loathe corbyn - even before everyone else did - but she’s the pm and she has fucked this at every step of the way - I sincerely believe she is useless.

I don't believe she's fucked it at every step. It's easy to throw bricks in hindsight. Let's be honest, it is an impossible job, it always was, and no one else was even remotely willing to do it. Not one of them. They all stood on the sidelines attacking her every step of the way, making sure it was impossible, whilst refusing to get their hands dirty themselves.

Big men eh?

There is literally no one deal they will agree to, and the reality was, the deal she put on the table, was the one that had the most support. The other options have even less support.

For two years, she’s shouted meaningless Brexit means Brexit and drew a stupid red line- without discussion of leaving the cu - her deal is going to make us poorer.
She triggered article 50 before she had an idea- I mean that’s...basic.

The thing is there are so many things she could have done: cross party collaboration should have been in place two and a half years ago- not two months before we leave! She has not conciliated in any way, she’s been divisive in language and actions- she’s dependant in the dup (take back control, eh!) she’s v v bad for the country.

Let's be honest, it is an impossible job, it always was, and no one else was even remotely willing to do it. Not one of them.

I agree but then the honest thing to do is either say - this is going to make us poor and unstable - do you really want that? 2 nd ref?
Or ‘this needs a brexiteer to do it’ and stand down. Say it’s fucked I’m not doing it.