How would you vote if

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We were given the peoples vote with a choice of -

Deal
No deal
Remain

I’m Remain

I was remain in 2016 and would be remain again if another vote were callled.

Except Dominic Cummings has actually said that the main focus of the campaign was on the £350 million, and Turkey joining. This is how they targeted the people who had not voted in elections before

The NHS will have more spent on it once we leave the EU. The actual figure we don’t know, but even if it’s only half of what was promised it’s still brilliant!

Oh, & Turkey could still join the EU in years to come.

& I’d vote no deal.

The NHS will have more spent on it once we leave the EU
What are you basing this on?

Common sense.

Oh right. For a moment there I thought you had some serious insight.

The original vote didn't say "leave with a deal" it said "leave" that's what was voted for.

A 'people's vote' is a laugh - exactly who do you think voted in the first place? That's right - the people!

No deal - like we originally voted

Remain.

The NHS will not have more spent on it with no deal. The economy will contract (by considerably more than the tiny proportion of GDP we spend on our membership fee) which means the government will have less money from tax revenue and investment. That will mean less money available for public spending.

Going back to the Norway and Switzerland question from the beginning of the thread. They both have very close relationships to the EU. Both are part of the EFTA. Switzerland is in Schengen, which means complete FOM without border checks. The UK could have a similar relationship but would also need to be in the Customs Union, which neither Norway or Switzerland are. This means they have a customs border between them and the EU. Lorries (and some cars) have to be stopped for border checks. This is unworkable for the UK because of the need for no hard border in Northern Ireland.

A Norway+ Customs Union would be a "soft" Brexit and would be a compromise as it fulfills leaving the EU but is palatable to most remainers. However, it involves budgetary contributions without being able to influence the rules.

To put the money into perspective.

I've just paid my tax bill. Iro £3,600.

Of that, iro £25 goes to the EU.

Tbh, the benefits that being in the EU affords me is more than worth that.

Also, about 70% of our taxes are spent on health, welfare, pensions and education. 0.7% is spent on the EU. Some of which we get back in subsidies and grants - mostly to the most deprived and most remote areas.

Yes, we could spend the money on nurses and doctors - but the way things are going, there is a recruitment crisis in the NHS, partly because people from abroad will not come here with the way things are. So there's nobody to recruit anyway.

The original vote wasn't leave with no deal. We were being told stories of many ways we would be better off with terms like name a country - all of which have a deal of some sort with the EU.

No deal - like we originally voted

Nonsense. There was no option on the ballot paper for the type of leave people wanted. All the leaders of the leave campaigns from Farage downwards were talking of Norway being a good option.

Nobody prior to the referendum recommended leaving without a deal, although some peddled rubbish about the magic unicorn deal we would easily get, involving all the bits of the Single Market we like without any of the bits we don't like. Nobody with an ounce of common sense believed this and it was refuted by the EU as a possibility even before the referendum took place.

It's amazing how people have swallowed the no-deal crap they've been fed since the referendum and actually have let themselves be convinced this is what they voted for when it wasn't even mentioned!

You can't tell me anyone went into the ballot booth thinking "Well, I'm going to vote leave because I fancy being poorer".

Remain.

No deal. I was remain, but only just. And not to be dragged out by parliament for longer than necessary like it is now. The EU will not offer any other kind of deal apset from maybe some inconsequential tweaks.

Why would anyone knowingly vote for a economic catastrophe? I cannot comprehend it. Sorry.

I voted Leave in 2016.
I think a GE is more likely than a second ref, but if there was one then it would have to be no deal. TMs WA is the worst of both worlds.
I don't know any Leavers that have changed their minds, although a few have said that if there was a second ref they would probably not vote as they feel its a case of keep voting until we get the 'right' result.

REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN

This. With teeny tiny blue and yellow bells on.

Plus 1.

Sorry, Lucy what was that? Speak up, no need to be quite so subtle about it.

[Grin]

Remain

Remain

Remain then
Remain now
Remain remain remain.

I voted remain, did I mention that?

It's beyond my comprehension how anyone can come to the conclusion that the country voted for 'no deal' They voted for the easiest deal ever made, with other countries queuing up to trade with us and loads of money left over that we could spend on the NHS if we liked. If that's available, why sure, I'll support a Leave vote. Until that time, the only sane vote is to stick with Remain.

The reason many academics want remain is because they benefit from EU handouts on grants etc.i would rather we spend UK tax money on more important things.

No it's because they actually know what they are talking about, care about something other than themselves and oh actually they are spending EU money on things like curing cancer!

No it's because they actually know what they are talking about, care about something other than themselves and oh actually they are spending EU money on things like curing cancer!

Meh, its not one side or the other, and to say that they think about something other than themselves is ironic, the academic thought at the time was that if we didn't join the euro we would collapse.

You are just as foolish as the other poster in thinking that academics is a hive mind, and even more so to think they all are altruistic.

Remain

I work with academics, outside of their subject area they are generally pretty dim. I have respect for their specialisms but generally they are clueless about life.

I am in the minority in HE who voted Leave (or who admit it at least).