How would you vote if

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We were given the peoples vote with a choice of -

Deal
No deal
Remain

I’m Remain

I'd spoil my paper.

Theresa's deal is gone!

Coriander. I originally voted (and campaigned for) remain and would still like to remain. However there is a very high likelihood that I will lose my job if the uncertainty continues beyond March as the type of project my company works on is the type that gets put on hold when the future is uncertain. In many ways leaving in March with no deal would be better than spending another 6 months faffing about because at least then we can get on with adjusting to the new normal.

I don't actually know what the answer is but it's not as easy as people are making it sound.

Remain

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'But Norway and Switzerland aren’t in EU and are doing well so worst case we get a deal like that due to democracy'

Yes can someone explain this. I don't understand why some are predicting a disaster when other countries manage to trade just fine.

I voted remain however the way Juncker, Tusk and Bernier have snootily behaved doesn't make me quite as desperate anymore.

Remain!

Remain

Deal, although I voted remain originally. I personally think we would run all sorts of risks ignoring the outcome of the referendum no matter how much I wanted to remain.

remain

'But Norway and Switzerland aren’t in EU and are doing well so worst case we get a deal like that due to democracy'

Yes can someone explain this. I don't understand why some are predicting a disaster when other countries manage to trade just fine.

I’ll explain it. It’s a BIT like saying that a random woman has never been married to a random man and is doing just fine, therefore another random woman who HAS been married to the same random man is going to do just fine after the divorce in which she loses her house children money and mental health. It’s not comparing like with like. Had we never joined, we’d probably be fine. Different but fine. But we joined and the last forty years are going to be undone and we’re going to be left with so many threads hanging that no longer work and that will take – as JRM admitted – fifty years to hook up again in some kind of functioning fashion. By the way, in this analogy, there's actually nothing much wrong with the marriage that more conversation wouldn't iron out but the random woman is deluded and convinced that she'll be better off outside it because a bunch of twats spent a shed load of money on sophisticated campaigns to convince her that she'd be better off and she believed them.

"Yes can someone explain this. I don't understand why some are predicting a disaster when other countries manage to trade just fine."

Norway and Switzerland are members/participants in the single market, and as such are rule takers on this as they have no say in EU rule setting. They both accept ECJ rulings and the four freedoms. They both make contributions to the EU, Norway about 80% per capita of what the UK does, Switzerland about 15%.

These are all red lines that May and leave campaigners will not allow as part of the W.A or leave deal.

t"he way Juncker, Tusk and Bernier have snootily behaved doesn't make me quite as desperate anymore."

They haevn't behaved badly. The UK set the red lines, the E.U has said from the outset that there is no better deal than being a member. Unfortunately leave campaigners dismissed this and said the UK held all the cards.

It didn't and what they promised was fantasy.

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This. With teeny tiny blue and yellow bells on.

You cannot split the leave vote and considering the humiliating defeat TM had last night there is no deal to vote for.

It should be

Exit with No Deal

Remain fully committed not half in half out as we are now and accept that we are part of the neo liberal project.

Absolutely remain.

No deal

Remain

'They haevn't behaved badly. The UK set the red lines, the E.U has said from the outset that there is no better deal than being a member.'

Not behvaed badly as such but their attitude and at times snubbing of May in Brussels has been very childish. None of it is her fault. The actual referendum I mean, not the shambles since.

Thanks Boris and Onalong for the comments on Norway and Switzerland.

"accept that we are part of the neo liberal project."

I find the arguments against the EU because its neo liberal rather interesting. The leave vote has been led and funded by the most neo liberal politicians and they advocate the UK becoming even more of a free market economy, in the Friedman/Hayek model. The UK has been the major influence in introducing neo liberal policies into the EU, not least as the creator of the single market.

The cognitive dissonance caused by objecting to the EU because its a neo liberal project and backing a leave campaign run and paid for by neo liberals must be very stressful.

"at times snubbing of May in Brussels has been very childish"

Not really. May has not been "snubbed" but told to negotiate throught the EU rather than the council of ministers, or asked not to be in the room when leaders were discussing brexit ( we don't give those leaders access to our cabinet meetings) etc.

You cannot split the leave vote

Why not? I see a significant difference between No Deal Brexit and Brexit with a deal. I see a significant difference between people who want one or the other of those things.

"You cannot split the leave vote"

The leave vote is split, even leavers on MN have vastly different and often conflicting reasons on why they voted leave and what they want the outcomes to be. These are often vastly different to what those running the leave campaigns want.

For example the economists for Brexit, backed by Mogg/Jonnson et al see all tariffs and non tariff barriers for the UK lowered, resulting in cheaper prices for consumers but... leading to the destruction of UK manufacturing and agriculture as they cannot compete on price. The calculations by the economist who came up with these see a 2.5 miillion increase in unemployment because of this.

Do you think people would have voted for that?

Same with Fish. "Get our fishing waters back" except the majority of the British catch is sold in the EU and would be subject to tariffs outside of the single market. So then Fishing ports such as Grimsby are asking for special access to the single market.

Does anyone think any of those options would get more than the required 50%+1 to win a referendum ? If not then a referendum is completely pointless as there'd be no clear majority for anything.

No deal

No Deal

Remain.