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To absolutely LOVE the new Gillette advert!! Outrage on Twitter.

477 replies

gluteustothemaximus · 15/01/2019 12:07

Have you seen the new Gillette advert?

It's in line with the #metoo movement and it's just brilliant.

Reaction online is depressing though. It has pissed Piers Morgan off royally though, so that's excellent. Poor little snowflake. Offended at an advert Grin

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2boysDad · 17/01/2019 10:48

I suspect this thread will run and run.. I would write a longer post but I'm busy at work. Anyhow.

As a result of this advert I'm going to stop buying Gillette products.

No - I'm not being goady and I'm not making this up.

This group identity sexist crap really p*sses me off.

JacquesHammer · 17/01/2019 10:51

This group identity sexist crap really psses me off*

Then you're part of the problem

Elfinablender · 17/01/2019 10:53

Don't cry for me pet. I have lived a very charmed life, the men in my family are kind, I have never been assaulted or attacked by a man.

I still have eyes in my head. I read and watch the news. I see statistic that show the deep relationship between men and violence with women, other men and themselves.

I see how the narrative of toxic masculinity is encouraged with a thousand small acts of entitlement and a thousand acts of blindness, every day.

2boysDad · 17/01/2019 10:54

"Then you're part of the problem"

For Proctor and Gamble?

Yes.

rightreckoner · 17/01/2019 11:05

No the vast majority don’t. But they also don’t feel able to cry, be tactile, be open with other men. My colleague who was off on a business trip got ribbed at work for using his wife’s suitcase which was purple and therefore not an approved colour. You can’t even touch an item belonging to a woman in case your masculinity is breached.

JacquesHammer · 17/01/2019 11:13

For Proctor and Gamble?

Yes

Yeah you won’t even register.

I wonder how many women have clocked you as an issue? I know I have.

User758172 · 17/01/2019 11:17

I hear people complain endlessly about ‘toxic masculinity’, but never once have I heard anyone praise masculinity as a virtue. Masculinity itself is not toxic.

When Gillette ask “Is this the best a man can get?” I think of the men in my life, my gentle, caring, hardworking DH, my wonderful father, my lovely brother, and my answer is “Yes, it is!” Because they don’t bully, they don’t harass or objectify women. They we act like men should act.

Gillette present this behaviour as though it’s commonplace and acceptable in society, and then encourage men to raise their sons to be better than them, as if millions upon millions of men and generation after generation haven’t been decent, honourable human beings.

And this from a razor company? Who are Gillette to pontificate to the public as to what a good man should be? They’re in business to sell products, nothing more. It’s cynical and self-serving. They’re just jumping on a bandwagon and hoping for this kind of publicity.

My problem is with the message itself. ‘Don’t bully, don’t rape’ - who actually disagrees with that, apart from lousy human beings who aren’t going to be swayed by an advert?

If you want to encourage men to be honourable and decent, fine - but don’t treat masculinity itself as some sort of sin no man can escape, as though good and decent men bear the guilt for the actions of their brothers simply because they’re men.

akkakk · 17/01/2019 11:20

If you want to encourage men to be honourable and decent, fine - but don’t treat masculinity itself as some sort of sin no man can escape, as though good and decent men bear the guilt for the actions of their brothers simply because they’re men.

well said

AhhhHereItGoes · 17/01/2019 11:23

2Boys won't get it because he doesn't have to get it.

He doesn't get harassed, nor has to worry if he's dressed in a way that may make someone want to assault him. Nor does he risk rape if he's too drunk with a friend or when he has to walk home.

Once he does have these issues and still thinks it's too much I may take him seriously. Until then watch some Piers Morgan.

AhhhHereItGoes · 17/01/2019 11:24

he should

User758172 · 17/01/2019 11:30

I think women would respect men more if they did challenge assholes but 1. They either are assholes too or 2. They don't want to lose friends/seem weak

Men have been told for a long time now that they’re not needed to protect or help women. Women are entirely their equal and can stand up for themselves perfectly well. They don’t need a man to do it for them.

So that being the case, why do you need a man, in particular, to challenge men who behave badly? Why couldn’t it be a woman? Does it even matter what gender they are?

JacquesHammer · 17/01/2019 11:32

*Men have been told for a long time now that they’re not needed to protect or help women. Women are entirely their equal and can stand up for themselves perfectly well. They don’t need a man to do it for them.

So that being the case, why do you need a man, in particular, to challenge men who behave badly? Why couldn’t it be a woman? Does it even matter what gender they are?*

Oh come on with the faux naïveté.

User758172 · 17/01/2019 11:34

Genuine question, although not aimed at you.

rightreckoner · 17/01/2019 11:58

I people complain endlessly about ‘toxic masculinity’, but never once have I heard anyone praise masculinity as a virtue

Apart from masculinity being the ultimate virtue throughout all of Western civilisation. Strength, bravery, physical prowess, the ultimate leader. Kipling's If. The entire canon of English literature is about men. Even the Gillette brand itself "Gillette - the best a man can get" celebrates masculinity. In French it's "Gilette - la perfection au masculin" - the best of masculinity.

The fact that this ad is trying to question that for 30 seconds and the whole world becomes hysterical tells you how much we revere and defend this very narrow version of masculinity.

I don't have a problem with any of those goals or ideals by the way. But that's not all it means to be a man just as women are not just "gentle, nurturing, pretty". Feminism has moved women on hugely because they were so trapped in their femininity box. Men are likewise trapped in their masculinity box. All these people ranting and raving are the equivalent of those who harrumphed about ugly hairy feminists. I look forward to men being liberated also from the nonsense of toxic masculinity. Choose a different name for it if you like but men need to be freed from it. There will still be strong, brave men. But they will also be freer to express other parts of their personality.

User758172 · 17/01/2019 12:22

I just meant that on this site, I’ve never heard anyone defend masculinity as a good thing. And it is a good thing!

‘Toxic masculinity’ harms men as well, but this is often presented as an afterthought. The advert focused only on how it affects women.

The advert framed some gender-neutral issues as male problems. Bullying is fairly gender neutral - girls are bullies as well as boys. It makes no sense to say ‘it’s toxic masculinity’ when boys do it, but something else entirely when girls do the same thing. If the behavior is bad, girls and boys should be held responsible, instead of Gillette pretending it's something only men and boys do.

rightreckoner · 17/01/2019 12:28

The advert focused only on how it affects women

No it really doesn't. It also has clips of boys being attacked.

rightreckoner · 17/01/2019 12:30

And I'm afraid men are responsible for virtually all sexual violence. So if you want to talk about it you are basically only talking about men. And ideally to men.

overnightangel · 17/01/2019 12:31

Shameless bandwagon jumping, can people really not see this?!
Cringing with every fibre of my being

overnightangel · 17/01/2019 12:32

Just tell us why we should buy your razors

User758172 · 17/01/2019 12:36

@overnightangel

Summed it up better than I did!! Smile

JacquesHammer · 17/01/2019 12:37

Shameless bandwagon jumping, can people really not see this?!

Yes. As people have stated very clearly Confused The intentions of the advert (and let’s face it adverts to represent the zeitgeist is pretty much the norm through the history of advertising!) doesn’t make the message less worthy.

rightreckoner · 17/01/2019 12:38

Yes we get that. We know who Gillette are. We are having a different conversation.

MikeUniformMike · 17/01/2019 12:39

We shouldn't buy their razors. They are non-recyclable single use plastic items with embedded metal. Nobody has to shave.

LooksBetterWithAFilter · 17/01/2019 12:40

The advert didn’t frame gender neutral problems as a male problem what it framed as a problem was the boys will be boys and it’s a boy thing attitude towards these problems.

derxa · 17/01/2019 12:42

Feminism has moved women on hugely because they were so trapped in their femininity box. It is strange then that young women today seem trapped into such a cartoonish feminine form of human beauty. Of course young men are trapped into the same type of exaggerated look with 'ripped abs' etc. No wonder everyone is a bit confused.