Would you want another Brexit referendum?

[simplesalvage]

Inspired by the would you vote the same way thread.

I was initially against another referendum thinking it would be undemocratic to not accept the vote but after reading the 'would you vote the same' thread I think I have changed my mind.

1. It is not undemocratic to ask the same question to people again. You are asking the same people so they can vote the same way again if they wish. In fact asking again is more democratic. When you were in school you would always do repeat science experiments to ensure the results were accurate.
2. Someone said when you have to consent for an operation they take your consent multiple times in case you change your mind - when they first tell you about it and again just before the information. People do change their minds - they learn new information and just have a different state of mind.
3. We do have more information available now. A lot of what was said were lies (think £350 million available to the NHS) and we know a lot more about the general process of leaving now.
4. The population has changed since the referendum. Unfortunately a lot of people have died and 16/17 year olds who could not then now are old enough. Therefore another referendum would provide a more representative view of the future.
5. Another referendum is not likely to ask the same question. It would be more like do you want 'this' deal and to leave with it as that is what we can get (or no deal), or to remain etc.

My main worry about another referendum is that the country would probably descend in to chaos and a minority of leave voters might get a bit nasty.

Anyway sorry for the long post. I know a lot of people will probably disagree with me (like I did yesterday!). What are everyones thoughts?

I'm sick of the whole thing. The uncertainty is mucking up business in this country.

Only two months and 14 days to go...

I'm sick of the whole thing too to be honest. I just want a clear decision on what's going to happen now, one way or the other.

@LaurieMarlow I completely agree that I think we are beyond that, the whole thing is mess.

Maybe TM will just say to hell with it and revoke it, nothing is going to get through parliament, she knows her time is up either way and is not going to be remembered favourably in political history whatever happens so she may aswell just do what she believes in as a remain voter and cancel the whole thing.

However I think that would cause way more unrest that the alternative of putting it back to the people.

In terms of what would happen if there was a second vote and remain won, I have no idea. I am sure it won't be the last of it.

Politically this country is going to be in a mess either way, we will no doubt have a general election but there is no leader and no party that I would be inclined to vote for right now.

Yes. Don’t want a general election. It. seems labour are more interested in gaining power than preventing the complete shitshow we are heading for. I’m labour but as much as I’d like a Labour government, Brexit is more pressing.

It’s a nightmare caused by the shambles of the last vote and the absolute lack of constitutional protections such as a threshold or triple lock. This is very hard to escape from now. Skewing any second vote by introducing such protections, allowing ALL EU resident expats to vote or 16 year olds would be seen effectively as an attempt to manipulate the result. Probably rightly so at this stage.

So - I don’t know. I’d want a referendum if it gave a sufficiently decisive remain vote on the same terms as previously to be clear. I’d accept a referendum with any size majority for leave (after 2 years of being told they were wrong, didn’t understand etc etc, I think you have to). But this would need to be with some clarity on HOW to leave (deal or no deal). However, a tiny remain victory could be catastrophic.

@Penguincake Oh, kindness hey, and the vile vitriol poured on "foreigners and immigrants" by many leavers is kind is it?

No. It was only ever an advisory referendum in any case.
Since the referendum it has become increasingly apparent that leaving won’t be beneficial to the UK, so the politicians we elected should do their jobs and revoke A50.

Oh and there wasn’t a majority at all, a large percentage of eligible voters didn’t bother. If there is a second referendum it should be compulsory.

Hell, yes!
I was uneligible to vote as I’ve lived outside the UK for more than 15 years. That meant I had no say in whether I wanted to keep my rights as a member of the European Union.
I now find myself faced with an uncertain future when my whole life, including my marriage, was based on the fact of being an equal citizen.

If you allow ALL British citizens to vote in this hypothetical Referendum I’m pretty sure what the result will be.

Many of the Brexitteers I know in RL, are well to do and over 60. What are they going to do - set fire to their second homes? Refuse to pay for their social-care?

A bigger worry is the racist brexiteers - like the ones we saw harassing Anna Soubrey - I don't know how many of them there are - but once they realise that Brexit doesn't mean 'Muslims go home', they're probably going to go nuts anyway.

What exactly would this second referendum be about?
The first one was "Europe-Yes or No". A simple question which suits a referendum. We've had that, and there was an answer.
Would the second referendum be "Teresa May's deal, or another one, or "Hard Brexit", or remain, or what?" Not a simple question, and not suitable for a referendum.
Matters like that are for Parliament, (though it is not doing a very good job at the moment).
In the case of indecision, the answer is a General Election.

Rosehip10 Is your argument really that some people are mean and therefore you can be mean?

No.

Yes, however i'm unsure as to what the question should be as I appreciate that it wouldn't be fair to split the Leave vote.

I would like to Remain. I know several Leave voters personally who have since said that they want a second vote and to vote Remain.

Yes I do.

@MeOldChina I know quite a lot (including DH) who regret their vote and wish they had voted differently or had the opportunity to vote again.

So frustrating, especially when they now repeat things back to me that I tried to tell them before the vote.

In these circumstances I genuinely don't like saying I told you so as it's too bloody late and has such huge consequences!!

Yes but it really is too late now.

Yes - really hoping for another referendum. I know a few people who would change their vote and do regret it. Now we are better informed about what would be involved it’s time for everyone to have another say

Yes.

Yes and it's not too late. We could revoke article 50 unilaterally or else the EU have already indicated they would be willing to grant a request for an extension for something major like another referendum.

I personally voted leave and would now like the chance to vote remain now I know what I do.

If you allow ALL British citizens to vote in this hypothetical Referendum I’m pretty sure what the result will be

In Europe. I'd love to know how many voters in Australia/NZ etc made up the 1 million Leave majority who had and have no intention of ever returning to the UK. We'll never know as they get lumped in with their UK constituency.

Yes, because revocation without one is unthinkable in this climate.

I'm not confident remain would win a new referendum, but it's the only possible chance left to save us from the negative effects of Brexit. No Deal Brexit, which apparently a large proportion of the public are in favour of, would cause genuine catastrophe (and in a sane world could not be on a referendum because no government would think it remotely realistic or responsible to offer it as an option. I don't think this is the sane timeline, however). Every form of Brexit leaves us worse off. Those of us who care about that need to fight to avoid it.

No second referendum as otherwise you'd have to have a rerun of that or a GE every time people turned 18.

That's a daft argument. We have new GEs regularly.

@simplesalvage Please report this and get it moved to the proper area - it should be in Brexit not AIBU. YABVU to put it in here.

I’m a remainer but I do not want another one as it’s pointless tbh there is a huge amount of people in this country who have no idea what the hell is going on, who don’t have the intelligence to make normal daily life choices but yet will vote based on bill shit articles on immigration etc to leave again.