AIBU to be angry that this is still happening!

[CosmicCanary]

Bristol News

I know this is not the only girl this has happened to. I know there will be many many girls who have suffered the same humiliation in school just today.

I was one of them many years ago.
So many times i bled through my pad in lesson but I knew asking to go to the toilet in would be met with a NO so i didn't bother. It was a humiliation in its self for the whole class to know you needed the loo. Such a public audience for an other wise private act.

I have already told my DDs should they need the toilet they must ask but if refused walk out of lesson if they absolutely cannot wait and I will deal with school.
They will not suffer the humiliation and shame of leaving blood on a school chair as I did.

Are you a teacher? Cosmic

Why is that relevant?

And the guidelines also say that schools can choose how to discipline.

The NUT is a union, not a standards setting body.

And they don't risk their health by waiting for a while to go to the toilet.

If you were asking them to wait for hours then maybe but it isn't.

@CosmicCanary
I think you are getting a bit hysterical.

You asked if we had to tell work we were having a period.

I said yes and explained why. I also said that you couldn't accept anything outside of your own experience.

Your reply was that you worked as a croupier and had to wait a few minutes, never had to explain and was never refused.

Good. That's your experience. Not mine and not everyone else's.

And the guidelines also say that schools can choose how to discipline.

Not when that discipline will result in loss if dignity, humiliation, privacy and is negative to health it cant.

NUT guidlines

For children to stay healthy they need to drink water regularly throughout the day. They also need to empty their bladder and bowels regularly and fully ,when the need arises.

Having set times for access to the toilet can cause “I’ll go just in case” practices which means the bladder doesn’t get used to holding on until it’s full. Over time, the bladder capacity can reduce, increasing the need to visit the toilet more frequently. At the same time, the amount of fluid a child can drink before needing to go to the toilet is reduced. This results in a vicious circle. A child may consciously or unconsciously ration their fluid intake, or avoid drinking altogether, if they fear not being able to go to the toilet when they need to.

@jacomax
I know. I think they have very fixed views about this and the only answer they will be happy with is " of course you can go at anytime, whenever you want" regardless of the ramifications.

And how will they go at all when Johnny goes and smashes up the toilets and the school can't afford to repair them because people like you insisted that he should never be told no?

@jacomax

I think you should. Any problems direct them to @CosmicCanary and her NUT guidelines

I think you are getting a bit hysterical.

Please do not use misogynistic insults towards me.
There is nothing hysterical about my posts.

I said yes and explained why. I also said that you couldn't accept anything outside of your own experience.

You used your working life as a comparison on this thread pages ago as a reason why children should not be allowed to access a toilet. Along with riding the tube in London ( not everyone lives in London). Children commuting for an hour on a train with no toilets and no toilets in the station. Not to mention travelling on the motorway 60 miles with no service station to visit your son.
None of which are relevant to a thread about children using the toilet in school in particular young girls on their period.

I think its you that struggles to see outside of your own experience.

Point of interest

My dd refused to use the toilets at school. Somehow she survived.

And how will they go at all when Johnny goes and smashes up the toilets and the school can't afford to repair them because people like you insisted that he should never be told no?

And how exactly does the example of little Johnny apply to the original topic of this thread, which was girls being excused because of their periods, just in case you've forgotten?

And how will they go at all when Johnny goes and smashes up the toilets and the school can't afford to repair them because people like you insisted that he should never be told no?

Then school should have managed little Johnny's behaviour better. School will know that little Jonny has challenging behaviour and should have provisions in place.
I would think a child that disruptive will be so all day, at break and lunch but they are not banning break times now are they?

You still believe the dignity of all children should be removed because of some. That us not school managing behaviour well. That is a lazy school.

If the NUT guidelines are crap why do they exist?

They just think we do it to be mean

You admitted on this thread you do Jac

where did I say that ?@cosmic?

You admitting knowing when children were genuine but still saying know as they should have gone at break.

If teachers are missing loo breaks then they need to bring that up with their employers. They are adults.
Should children be grateful for the adults along then to go to the toilet?

Christ what kind of school do you work in?
I would hate to think all of the teachers treated children the way you do.

bringincrazyback

No staff around to supervise what stops Johnny going into the girls toilet?

Or it could be Jane.

You can't just let girls go to the toilet can you? Boys might need to go too.

Cosmic what policies would you like put in place to stop Johnny? Up thread I asked if previously disruptive children should be allowed to go - you said yes, so how would you stop him?

jacomax

They were old, had been vandalised - often blocked with paper, no paper, seats got frequently broken(they started locking them about a year before she left).

Break times there were often older girls in there messing around and being intimidating.

jacomax

I can tell. However they should be going at break so I say no. They are 9 they can manage with out the loo and do so everyday. Most know to go at break.

If teachers are missing loo breaks then they need to bring that up with their employers. They are adults.

Oh this is funny. There are not enough staff. How do they have extras to accommodate staff getting breaks?

My sister works in a newly built school. They have 1 single staff toilet upstairs and 1 down. The HT told them that they couldn't take too long in there - we had visions of the countdown clock outside and then the toilet door flying open when the allocated time was up. We worked out they had just under 3 minutes at break time.

I'll tell her you said to take it up with the employer though. Sure that will sort it.

Cosmicwhat policies would you like put in place to stop Johnny? Up thread I asked if previously disruptive children should be allowed to go - you said yes, so how would you stop him?

I am not a teacher so not in charge or trained to write such policies.
However after working within 4 special provision schools who had many little Johnnys they did not have blanket toilet bans. Any disruptive behaviour was dealt with swiftly and punishments were given. They had a sign out record where the teacher wrote down the time etc.
In my 4 years of working in these specialist schools not once was a toilet vandalised so badly that the school was closed.