If there was another Brexit referendum would you vote the same way?

[marmeladerose]

By the way I am not for another Brexit referendum but I am seeing a lot about it on the news/social media and it got be wondering what everyone would vote if it did happen and what did you vote before? I voted remain and would vote remain again.

MPs need to be very careful. 70% of Conservative constituencies and 60% of Labour constituencies voted to Leave in the 2016 referendum.

Our area voted remain. Our MP (a former government whip) is an ERG member who wants a no-deal Brexit will be voting against May's deal.

She's plainly not too fussed about the possibility of losing her seat.

Cameron also said there would be no top down reorganization of the NHS

I think that agreeing that Cameron was a lying fucker is probably the only thing everyone on this thread can agree with

And gutless...

Also since my town voted in favour of leaving , why is my m p voting to stay shouldn't it be about to vote of your constituents and not about your personal choices. I will not be voting for him again that's for sure.

Leave and leave

Rufus yep I think we can all agree on that point!
I voted remain then, I'd vote remain now, but I have a lot of friends in business who were ardent leave voters who have now changed their minds.

Assuming of course that you mean remain and leave politicians

I do mean both. I didn't believe anything that either side said so I went with what I personally believed. Had anyone formed a truthful, believable argument I would have seriously considered it, but they simply didn't.

Even now, for every expert who argues for remain another equally qualified expert argues to leave.

And yes, your comments on Cameron are well founded.

Weetabixandshreddies

I've already posted one link with Blair and Major having a joint press event about the NI border, in the build up to the referendum, on the last page. There's plenty of similar warnings (feel free to google) but, of course, they were dismissed as Project Fear amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-risk-to-peace-process-claims-absolute-nonsense-34591914.html

And, as I've twice posted, it wasn't until after the Referedum that TM called a snap General Election and ended up losing the majority that the previous government has, and ended up stuck in bed with the DUP. That's brought matters rather more to the forefront.

Why didn’t the brexit camp earn about the real implications and realities of leaving? Retainers were just branded as scare mongering but if you had bothered to read anything anyone with a tiny bit of sense could foresee that the Irish border would be a problem and leaving without a deal economic suicide.

It should have been incumbent on the brexit camp to actually point out the realities.

Had anyone formed a truthful, believable argument I would have seriously considered it, but they simply didn't

Again I agree

mama

Edgeworth

There may well have been mention of it, if you knew where to look but it certainly was not a main point in the campaign. Was it in the expensive pamphlet sent to every house, pointing out the whole issue would boil down to this border?

This was a referendum of the general public not a debate at the LSE. Millions of people are functionally illiterate. No one could honestly expect these people to go and do hours of research into the finer points of EU law?

This was the very thing that politicians should have been doing if they decided to abdicate their responsibility to the public - ensure that the public had every piece of information necessary to make an informed decision.

Rufus I think you've nailed it!

When did they start to realise what a stumbling block NI and the GFA was going to be?

It was definitely mentioned on at least one politics forum/site prior to referendum day, I mentioned it in passing to DP at the time. It was more along the lines of what would happen in NI if leave won, rather than a reason for not leaving. I think it was generally lost among all the project fear/Turkey/£350m pw for the NHS shite though.

Of more concern is whether or not the Cameron govt had had this pointed out to them. If so, I think we're entitled to ask why they didn't mention it. If not, I think we're entitled to ask why no-one in the NI office or FCO twigged that Brexit and the GFA were incompatible and pointed it out.

If the government thought it was irrelevant, because they genuinely believed that the vote would be an overwhelming remain victory, then they're even more stupid and sneaky than I realised.

When the key players in Brexit start publishing their memoirs, they'll make very interesting reading.

"Even now, for every expert who argues for remain another equally qualified expert argues to leave."

That's simply not true.

90% of economists think brexit will be a negative effect on the economy, as do the treasury, the CBI, the Universities and virtually all industries.

The Leave campaign have Patrick Minford and the IEA.

The border was always going to be problem, which was only heightened after the DUP were called in bribed to prop up TM

Fixed that for you Edgeworth!

Voted remain and would again

@Weetabix

There was mention of it more than once on the news. The Blair/Major conference certainly got coverage. I didn't see the expensive leaflet (I wasnt in the country) but you are right that it ought to have been addressed in there if it wasn't. However, I don't think that the current deadlock over the border could have been reasonably foreseen - it's largely down to the snap GE and its results.

@BrazenHusky74 it seems to need hammering into yours and others heads that your participating in the referendum was not an election. Your "vote" was not binding upon parliament.

And as for the "knickers in a knot analogy" I would have liked to have bene proven wrong and the government not make an almighty cock up of the entire thing but seeing as the haven't I suppose you might say I am massively worried. It's gone beyond knickers now though.

Remain all the way!

LakieLady

That's exactly the points that I was trying to make. The government either knew and didn't tell us or should have known.

Either way, it's ridiculous to expect every one of the people eligible to vote to have been able to conduct an almost forensic analysis.

Edgeworth

If the government and all its advisors couldn't be reasonably expected to have foreseen this then I don't see how the general public could have been expected to? It seems to me that this now is the crux of the matter and the one that risks us leaving with no deal. Without that stumbling block we would be leaving with a negotiated deal (not a good one but not "no deal")

As for abuse aimed at remainers, our PM has told us we are citizens of nowhere (and proceeded to ignore us for 2 years) and I've been told I'm an ingorant cow, libtard, snowflake, fucking socialist pig, cxnt of the highest order, enemy of democracy, nasty fucking cxnt...so, so many names. Usually in CAPS lock too. Every time I stand up for the EU position or remaining I am told to leave the country. It doesn't feel like my country now anyway.

Also since my town voted in favour of leaving , why is my m p voting to stay shouldn't it be about to vote of your constituents and not about your personal choices.

I think most constitutional authorities consider that the primary duty of a representative in a democracy is to make decisions according to what they believe to be in the best interests of the country. They are representatives, not delegates, and should not be mandated.

Which is why Cameron's self-serving idiocy in having the referendum is so reprehensible: he put party above country. And then ran away.

Even now, for every expert who argues for remain another equally qualified expert argues to leave.
This simply isn't true.

I don't know anything more than that basics regarding economics. About 90% of economists say Brexit will be bad for the economy (it already is and we haven't even left yet) so I'll just go with what they say. Frankly I'd just make myself look a fool if somebody like me thought I knew better than a bunch of Nobel prize winning economists. Don't confuse MPs for experts, most of the time, they are not.

lonley

Absolutely

Except that doesn't fit some posters agenda

Remain then, Remain now.