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If there was another Brexit referendum would you vote the same way?

523 replies

marmeladerose · 14/01/2019 20:26

By the way I am not for another Brexit referendum but I am seeing a lot about it on the news/social media and it got be wondering what everyone would vote if it did happen and what did you vote before? I voted remain and would vote remain again.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 15/01/2019 11:08

It's the remainers in the government and civil service who have made such a mess of this

What a complete load of bollocks

I'll absolutely agree that the government have fucked this up...but blaming remainers is truly pathetic

Mymycherrypie · 15/01/2019 11:09

I can know the reasons people have told me, to my face though. I don’t dare to think I know if someone has specifically told me.

Mymycherrypie · 15/01/2019 11:13

MrsAriadneOliver

I understand what you are saying but I when literally have family members and conworkers saying to me on the daily, “I fucking hate Africans”, and “polish bastards taking all the jobs”, “he’s alright for a Romanian”, I don’t think I am dismissing someone as a Xenophobe. They really clearly ARE a xenophobe. Is leaving the EU so that we have less Africans on the street a good thing?

User758172 · 15/01/2019 11:13

If referendums are only advisory then why wasn't this fact more publicized?

A government leaflet was distributed to households with the words, in bold: This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide

So you can’t blame Leave voters for feeling misled - they were.

AliTheMinx · 15/01/2019 11:13

Absolutely! I voted to remain and 100% wish to remain. The current situation is an utter shambles. Where I live there are very few who wish to leave...

EveLastNight · 15/01/2019 11:13

'The Leave people are the clowns. Look around you at the mess you ha w created. Shame on you.'

As pp , no it's the politicians that have created the 'mess'. TM was destined to fail. It'd be like putting her in charge of the Labour party and then being surprised when she wanted to stick to Tory policies.

A no deal will not be the Armageddon that scare mongerers are predicting. It is all far from ideal. We import only slightly more than we export, Europe needs us to buy their stuff! Increasing tariffs will be of no more benefit to them than to us.

I voted remain but I really can't understand the utter panic displayed by some people. Doesn't anyone remember the euro currency debate, the same people predicted the same economic disaster if we didn't lose sterling and change to euro. It did not happen.

As an aside I think Juncker and Tusk are arses and won't be sad to see the back of them and their slimy ways.

scaryteacher · 15/01/2019 11:14

Mymy Too right I was 'gleeful' at finally getting a vote on EU membership, as I was only 7 when we joined in the 70s, so too young to vote then. There is a whole generation who have never been able to vote on this directly, so why should we not be happy to finally be able to have our say?

jasjas1973 · 15/01/2019 11:15

you can’t write them off as having made the ‘wrong’ choice

Well, yes you can!
Might sound slightly arrogant but 99.9% of people are not trade experts nor had any knowledge of WTO, SM, CU, EEA, EFTA etc etc etc

If i needed my house re-wiring, i would seek advice and expertise from Electricians and take their advice, i wouldn't ask and take advice from random people in the street who may or not, have once changed a fuse.

We shouldn't have been given this referendum and it is right Parliament is now deciding our future, its a complete mess however.

I don;t know how it can ever be sorted now, its opened up divisions that will take decades, if ever to resolve.

Mymycherrypie · 15/01/2019 11:16

Anyway, if you have a real reason for voting leave that isn’t nonsensical, go ahead. My issue is those who didn’t understand, voted for reasons that aren’t even marginally related to the EU, because of hate or were just out to “mess with the system” with their vote.

User758172 · 15/01/2019 11:18

@Mymycherrypie

I can see what you’re saying - but if so many people are saying these things to you on a daily basis, it suggests that the problem is much bigger than someone being a xenophobe for the sake of it. People don’t feel this way for no reason. We have so many problems that need addressing it’s difficult to know where to start.

Sugarhunnyicedtea · 15/01/2019 11:19

Leave then, still leave now.
It was never going to be made easy to leave and anybody who thought it would be was very misguided.
I still believe that, long term, leaving is the right thing.

User758172 · 15/01/2019 11:24

voted because of hate or were just out to “mess with the system” with their vote

I think an awful lot of people have been awfully angry and dissatisfied for a long time, and we may do better to try to understand why.

surferjet · 15/01/2019 11:26

Leave then. even more leave now.
The way the EU have treated us has made my mind up that leaving is right.

I’ll never get remainers mentality, that they’ve voted for what they know & stability, how much has the EU changed in recent years? & it will change again - maybe in a way they don’t like. But that doesn’t seem to bother them which is really odd.

scaryteacher · 15/01/2019 11:27

Slightly arrogant jasjas ? I hope you are counting those who voted remain your 99.9% who have sod all idea of the pernicious effects of the Acquis; the moves to get everything on a QMV basis; the reluctance to reform the CAP; and the fact that there was no status quo whichever way you voted. Are you happy about the enlargement coming down the tracks, including Serbia, where organised crime is rife, (including sex trafficking into the UK) and many of the illegal weapons in the EU come from there, or do you think, like a Spanish friend of mine, that the EU will be able to enforce the rule of law by waving a magic wand?

icannotremember · 15/01/2019 11:33

you can’t write them off as having made the ‘wrong’ choice

I think you can. I have no issues with leavers feeling and saying I have made the wrong choice, if that is what they genuinely believe. It is OK to say someone is wrong.

Jolonglegs · 15/01/2019 11:34

Remain then and Remain now. We need a second vote to decide whether we still want to leave given the deal. I don't think the EU have treated us badly in the negotiations. Its the UK that wanted to leave, and Northern Ireland was always going to be an issue.
I don't really understand how we can leave when we don't even know the terms on which we will trade. What happens with fishing rights for instance.

Samcro · 15/01/2019 11:38

remain as before. I voted that not cos I like the EU but better the devil you know.
but IMO its done and we need to move on and make leaving the best it can be. so boring now. we can't keep voting till we get what we want.
we are leaving.

User758172 · 15/01/2019 11:42

I have no issues with leavers feeling and saying I have made the wrong choice, if that is what they genuinely believe. It is OK to say someone is wrong

If they don’t believe they’ve made the wrong choice, it just demonstrates that they think differently to you and want different things.

icannotremember · 15/01/2019 11:45

Sure. They think the UK would be best off outside the EU. I think the UK would be best off inside the EU. We each think the other is wrong about that and made the wrong choice in the referendum. That's not some great divisive statement.

Eatmycheese · 15/01/2019 11:50

If you "voted" sorry cast your recommendation so another referendum wouldn't be fucking un Democratic
Then did you vote Leave to free yourself of the shackles of turgid EU policies and trade law etc or did you vote to stop the immigrants and give the NHS lots of money every week instead?

If you voted to leave based on the former then you must be pretty pissed off at the dogs dinner Amat would like to serve you up now since it seems inevitable that you won't get the freedom and independence you want. And if you voted because of the latter you must be absolutely furious.

Or did you want to Leave for other reasons. Like kissing Trump's unicorn trade deal on the arse? Or for a new style of passport? Or for a chance to stockpile oh essential things like medicine?

I wanted to Remain
I have taken a rather dim view of some of the men's girl playground antics of the EU but they could have been far more savage.

If we wanted to do this properly then it should not have been overseen by a bunch of inept henchmen. We should have had tenacious, top class negotiators, business leaders, educated and passionate members of the public who actually knew what was what.

Instead we got Davis with no papers but a book on mountain walking and a woman who's idea of debriefing is taking her designer necklace off at the end of the day.

If we had another referendum and the result was Leave again then I fear a lot of that would just be to stick two fingers up at the EU but just shoot ourselves in the foot. I am genuinely fearful of what might happen and how this could ruin millions of ordinary (ie non Tory Cabinet members) lives.

User758172 · 15/01/2019 12:11

@icannotremember

I don’t think either side is right or wrong, good or bad, saintly or evil. I accept we’re all different and we’re going to need to compromise. I think both sides would have done better to accept the result and get on board with it instead of endlessly demonising each other. We need to come to some sort of compromise as this polarisation isn’t benefiting anyone.

katekat383 · 15/01/2019 12:14

It’s too easy to blame the politicians. Those people who bothered to get out and vote were not forced to put a big X in the Leave box.
Scotland voted to Remain, as did London and a few other notable areas too. Weirdly Wales voted to Leave.
People in those parts of the UK are feeling particularly angry.

user1471498837 · 15/01/2019 12:14

Remain then and I'd vote remain again now. I work in the NHS some of my EU colleagues have gone home already Sad still waiting for the £350m supposedly coming to the NHS

seenna · 15/01/2019 12:15

Remain then, leave now (on principle).

2nd referendum is undemocratic imo.

JoeElliotsMullet · 15/01/2019 12:18

Remain then, remain now.

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